KFMB TV reports that some 3k people attended a public hearing in Del Mar, California to have their say regarding a toll road extension through San Onofre State Park. Supporters say the project will end gridlock on I-5 (a.k.a. “the five”) running between Orange County and San Diego County. Opponents contend that the Route 241 extension would wipe out endangered species, ruin the park and destroy Trestles Beach, a popular surfing site. San Diego City Councilmember Donna Frye sided with the nay-sayers. "What we're saying to future generations is that roads and cement and going fast mean more to us than our natural resources and our state parks?” After a 14-hour-long meeting, the state Coastal Commission voted eight to two against the new tarmac. Given that the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) is located between San Onofre State Beach and San Onofre Surf Beach, Dude, how bad could a road extension be? Given the UK's powerful [green] anti-roads lobby, we reckon it won't be long before California's Alliance for a Paving Moratorium (or similar) girds-up for more Golden State pavement battles.
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14 hours…damn. I had a chapter meeting once that last six, and I thought that was a beating…
Do we have to turn our Earth into Giedi Prime?
The Future of our Cars – Part Three
Whipple continues to talk about fluid fuel options.
http://www.fcnp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2504&Itemid=35
Part Four will address EVs.
Releiving traffic in California is a very transient achievement. How about a little growth control and urban planning instead? Or a lot?
CA is the Toyota Sequoia of states; Claiming to be green but growing out of control.
Releiving traffic in California is a very transient achievement. How about a little growth control and urban planning instead? Or a lot?
Along with population control, i.e., a border fence.
John
“CA is the Toyota Sequoia of states; Claiming to be green but growing out of control.”
Couldn’t have said it better. If we aren’t the world capital of hypocrisy, I’d love to know who is.
When does development not threaten to wipe out endangered species? I don’t like continuing development, but it is necessary to economic advancement and to maintain our high quality of life.
Good on them. The last thing OC, or California, needs is more cookie-cutter suburbs at the cost of irreversible environmental destruction. OC used to be beautiful. Parts still are.
BTW, OC, LA, and Riverside counties are ground zero for the mortgage meltdown. Unchecked growth and foreclosures are what you get when developers run your local government.
So the people in the area decided they cared more about the environment than a road extension. Seriously why do you care? Do you live in the area and did you lose the argument?
Or have you decided to take on the mantle of attacking every single car-unfriendly policy all over the country in some selfless act of polluting goodness?
California is growing faster than a lot of developing nations, due entirely to mass immigration, including illegal immigration. (There is a net outflow of native US citizens from the state.) During the 1990s, the state grew from about 29 million to around 35 million. It’s probably closing in on 40 million, about a trebling since Truman was president.
The US definitely needs a policy to stabilize the population, or we’re going to keep fighting road battles, keep running in place in our effort to reduce pollution of all sorts, etc.
@ akatsuki:
Seriously why do you care?
I think it’s an interesting story.
Do you live in the area…
No.
…and did you lose the argument?
And no.
This is a fact:
The San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) is located between San Onofre State Beach and San Onofre Surf Beach.
So by asking “how bad could a road extension be,” comparatively speaking, I don’t feel that I’m…
“taking on the mantle of attacking every single car-unfriendly policy all over the country in some selfless act of polluting goodness.”
Really. :-)
You know what? It’s a good thing that discussions like this take place in a public forum with the people in the higher seating positions actually listening to both sides.
There are many areas of the world where this doesn’t happen. Like my neck of the woods…
Just type in ‘Cobb County School Board’ and throw in the words laptop, redistricting, or courts and you’ll find that when taxpayer money talks, the parasites of humanity not only walk; they feast over the seven figure sums.
That laptop computers-for-all boondoggle got Cobb County school officials into quite a kerfuffle, and deservedly. But the money was pouring in, and a use for it will always be found. I’m not anti-technology (my son is a computer scientist) but educators’ reverance for computers as magical learning devices reminds me of that scene in Kubrick’s “2001” where the apes gather around the monolith. There seems to be a belief that possessing a computer renders unnecessary the knowledge and skills used by the people who invented the computer.
Releiving traffic in California is a very transient achievement. How about a little growth control and urban planning instead? Or a lot?
That can be said about a lot of larger cities and even smaller ones in this country. The urban planning is extremely poor in a lot of placed with money hungry developers dictating a lot. Simply building more roads and adding lanes isn’t the solution to fix a poorly planned and zoned area.