Buried in an AdAge.com interview with Toyota GM Bob Carter: a quote that brings to mind the bon mots of GM Car Czar Bob Lutz. After Mr. Carter lauds Toyota's hybrid domination– an 80 percent U.S. market share with a supply-restricted 67 percent growth rate— the Maximum Moment™ arrives. Carter declares that "it's not our position that the hybrid is [the] solution to the future. We're looking at high-efficiency gasoline, clean diesel, fuel cells and the plug-in hybrid." While it's an ostensibly sensible position, Carter's remark must come (or will come) as something of an eye opener to ToMoCo's Veep for Drivetrain Development. Back in May, Masatami Takimoto told the Motor Authority that hybrids will be the Japanese automaker's standard drivetrain by 2020, 'cause synergy driven vehicles would be "no more expensive to produce than a conventional vehicle." So, does Carter's cautious climb down make him "Minimum Bob?"
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Obviously, e doesn’t understand The Power of H™
Of course hybrids are not. So start with the plug-ins already!
Clean Diesel? You have got to be kidding me. I saw this in a new BMW “NO” ad in wired. Now this is where the real “crock of shit” is at. It’s the equivalent of Clean Coal.
We should have been on it long-ago, it’s to late now in my opinion. Sure, it’s better than nothing but we have the power to do better.
Fuel Cells are great, I believe hydrogen is a great alternative. But it’s always out of reach. The EROI is terrible, and the cost of the fuel is still crazy. Hydrogen is what the oil companies want. They want hydrogen really bad…simple answer is that they still want to sell you fuel. Better electric cars is where we really need to start. I’m sure hydrogen will be here for the masses one day. For now though, our focus should be on electric.
More excuses why GM cant do what others can. To quote pee wee Herman when he fell down -“I meant to do that!” Show maximum Bob anything from the new Sonata to Honda’s upcoming diesels and what would he say – “Oh thats no big deal, anyone can do that!” Does he have any toes left or did he shoot them all off?
Toyota has always maintained that hybrids were never THE ULTIMATE solution, they were simply the best solution in the short to medium term. Just because Toyota believes in hybrids, doesn’t mean they can’t also focus on improving gasoline and diesel engines, as well as developing plug-in hybrids.
The answer comes in more than one form folks. We all know that here.
Every one of the technologies mentioned has SOME level of viability. I was surprised that natural gas wasn’t mentioned. But then again, it hasn’t been a fashionable alternative for several years now. We usually get one to two CNG vehicles at the dealer sales that can only be filled up at a station in downtown Atlanta. If my commutes actually took me there I would be tempted. But they don’t… and something tells me getting that thing fixed would be an absolute nightmare.
This sounds like typical Detroit. When the competition (Asian and European) come up with a new or better idea usually the domestic 2.8 downplay it to the max and they use the same tired excuses to defend their case(s). Usually this is what we hear: We can’t do that for (pick your reason or excuse) !!!! Then when the idea or feature catches on and becomes a success the 2.8 are once again caught behind the 8 ball trying to play catch up. Sure, hybrids and clean diesels may not be the best long term solution but they are a start and since the world has a limited oil supply and most of what we use now comes from middle eastern counties with crazy people in control the sooner we ween ourselves from that oil and cut back on our comsumption the better.
Clearly Carter’s quote is a little mangled… that’s the inevitable problem with these little rhetorical journeys of the mind. Does Toyota have things bubbling up the development pipe which could well replace hybrids entirely? Probably, but offering a 100% hybrid lineup is futuristic enough for me right now. Let’s see that “future” before we get ahead of ourselves with other “solutions” to other “futures.”
I would put my money on Takimoto-san statement concerning Toyota’s future.
BTW, diesels are in development for Tundra and FJ with help from Isuzu and Hino.