Quality, if you believe Bob Lutz, is not only the absence of things gone wrong.”We shoot not only for absence of problems, but we especially shoot for a joyous owner experience,” proclaims the Car Czar in the latest “Case For GM” video at GM’s Fastlane blog. Which is a convenient way of taking attention away from the “things gone wrong” element of quality, and allows Lutz to spend the rest of the video claiming that body gaps on the Chevy Malibu are smaller than those of any Japanese or German premium brand. In other words, this video confirms what GM marketing has already told us for some time: useless J.D. Power “Initial Quality” rankings define GM’s perception of quality, rather than the durability of its products. So yes, the Malibu has shinier paint and tighter gaps than GM products of seven to eight years ago. But Lutz isn’t Sarah Palin. He can’t simply play the expectations game and expect consumers to choose his company’s products. Word to Bob: make another video. This time try wowing us with your warranty claim breakdowns. Otherwise you’re just bragging about shinier lipstick on the same old pig. Gosh darn it.
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Lutz the Putz aside, I will say that as a student of all things GM, they do have the right guy running quality. J Hresko does a very good job as do others within the company. too bad their leader is such a loser.
“We shoot not only…problems, but we especially shoot…a joyous owner…”
At least that’s how I heard it on Fox News.
We shoot not only for absence of problems, but we especially shoot for a joyous owner experience
Independent test drives of a Chevrolet Aveo disprove the above statement.
He shoots, he misses.
When Lutz was essentially running Chrysler, quality was job 37 or so. The philosophy then was to throw together something cheap and stylish.
Lutz has progressed since then. Quality might not be something he personally cares to prioritize, but he’s learned that he must prioritize it.
Even so, GM models are still usually spotty in their first year, as seen in TrueDelta’s survey results. The first year Lambdas, Aura, CTS, and VUE have all been worse than average, with substantial improvement in the second model year.
The 2008 Malibu is shaping up as an exception, though, with a very low repair rate.
http://www.truedelta.com/latest_results.php
Shouldn’t that be lipstick on the same old pitbull?
“the Malibu has shiner paint”
I know typos are to be brought to RF’s direct attention, but I can’t resist.
Does the Malibu have dark purple paint around its headlamps?
GM and Lutz are shooting blanks.
>>Quality, if you believe Bob Lutz, is not only the absence of things gone wrong.”We shoot not only for absence of problems, but we especially shoot for a joyous owner experience,”
Apparently he’s never sat inside a GM vehicle and examined the interior …
… which would also explain his total obliviousness to the real-world experience of having to (repeatedly) take time from work to take GM products back for repair, listening to that interior creak and rattle during the journey.
My dad’s ’07 Avalance has already had “things gone wrong”, poorly fitted interior pieces, squeaks, rattles, and failed bearings. Not exactly proof that GM is up to Honda standards.
Panel gaps be damned, how about making a car thats screwed together right?
Bob Lutz and GM CVT Transmission. They released the CVT with the knowledge that CVT Trans were not road ready stated by there own project engineers.
Some Bull from Bob. How do you explain the CVT?
OK… I went with my friend to pick up his new Hummer earlier this year. On the way home parts were falling off on the inside A wire was showing through a gap in the ceiling panel, and the AC failed for two weeks in the peak of summer. And this is a 2008 model.
So why don’t I believe you Mr. Lutz?
This boils down to semantics. In one of my engineering classes, we had a lecture on quality vs reliability.
In short, for us, reliability is how often something works. Quality is how well it works (how ‘nice’ it is).
VW and Mercedes are great in quality (nice inside, nice to drive), terrible in reliability (often).
My ’97 Ford Expedition is the opposite. Squeaks, rattles, leaky exhaust, door panels that visibly flex with opening and closing windows, etc… But in 10 years and 200,000 miles, what broke? A/C compressor failed (under warranty, hasn’t needed even a charge since), accessory belt started slipping (after 140,000 and I WD40’ed the pulley bearings. Oops.), 2 coilpacks went out (after I powerwashed the engine. Oops.), and the starter went out (180,000 mixed miles). Not bad for a first year model.
In the customer’s mind, quality determines reliability. Recently, VW and Mercedes (did) have reputations of reliability, based on the quality of the car, despite reality.
BUT, its important that someone analyzing a car company, from inside or outside, talks about the two distinctly and seperatly. They are two different things, even though to the customer its one vauge, fuzzy concept.
GM has improved both quality and reliability. They are almost up to Korean car levels! (Yes, I know, cheap shot. But its sad AND funny AND true…) The bitch part is customers are slow to learn, good or bad. VW and Benz both are slipping in perceptions. You can only sell so many people unreliable cars for a premium unnoticed. Now they have to re-prove themselves.
Same goes for GM, only they have 3+ decades of shit to overturn. Its something that US automakers never learned: The old Chevy POS, smoking on the shoulder, is powerful marketing. As is the benz with a 500,000km medallion. Gen X and Y know GM for the awful hand-me-downs we drove in high school and college. It will take YEARS of quality AND reliability, until most GM cars in service at the time are “good.” Then opinions will chagne.
How much money/time does GM have again?
>>It will take YEARS of quality AND reliability, until most GM cars in service at the time are “good.” Then opinions will chagne.
Since GM isn’t yet there on quality or reliability, how long it will take for perceptions to change post-GM production with quality and reliability is an academic question.
MrUnexpected: Well said. That pretty much sums up the story. Our family “inherited” a 99 Buick Century. Exterior fit and finish is very good, although not class leading, and the paint has held up fine. Interior is quite disappointing but at least is has held up well. Reliability in its 110K of use has been fine except for that damn intake gasket. The dealer basically said tough crap, fork over $900 bucks. We went elsewhere. Moral of the story is that a satisfied owner now is unsatisfied because the maker refused to fix a known defect. So now, the worst memories are at the end of the ownership period, just when you are ready to contemplate a new vehicle. Foolish.
As for Maximum Bob, what he said makes sense. What he didn’t say is what concerns me.
Wasn’t that VW’s line?
I guess they are going to have to go back to Farvegnuget.