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GM needs to STFU until its available.
They have been teasing the public with the new Camaro for 2+ years now.
Right now Mopar and Ford have the retro RWD segment to themselves with the Mustang and LX platform.
You guys weren’t aware they’ve been taking orders for these since the beginning of October? One of my friends already put in his order and money on one.
The reason GM whores out the Camaro at every opportunity is to deter people from buying Mustangs and Challengers. It’s the same strategy that sees them trot out the Volt whenever possible: gotta keep people out of Priuses, because once that customer defects, they’re not coming back.
Of course, this doesn’t do a whole lot for long-term prospects, but hey, long term isn’t GM’s forte.
What does the New Camaro matter? How many will GM sell? I doubt they’ll manage 100K in the first year and steadily declining numbers after that (20% fewer in year 2, maybe even worse). Why did GM cancel the Camaro back in ’03 or so? Poor sales! How is the Mustang faring? Sinking sales! How is the Challenger doing? Not so hot! This market segment is collapsing.
GM needs a Cruze (except for the horrible name), not a new low-volume muscle car and the worlds’s most confusing and expensive compact hybrid car.
But the Cruze is not what we’re gonna get.
GM can point to lots of decisions in the ’90’s that are hurting GM today but green-lighting a Camaro that will sell only in low volume, pouring resources into a Volt that will not sell and building a “world car” that it turns out can’t be Federalized in less than two or three years is all down to the current leadership: Wagoner and Lutz. Sack ’em.
But…but…but…
Where’s the most important “dash swap” mod?
Where the most important mod of all?
The dash board swap.
One of my friends already put in his order and money on one.
Trishield…was he provided with a delivery date?
Also, just curious, can you friend afford to lose that money? I hope so.
Boy… so much hate. Yeah, the wait was too damn long, but job one is this February, so the light is at the end of the tunnel, and the Challengers and Mustangs of the world will be seeing a train. Don’t hate the player…
ferrarimanf355, Hate who? I can see who’s getting criticized but I don’t see where anyone’s getting hated. GM has wasted a bunch of money developing this car. It’s going nowhere fast.
Look at Mustang sales… and not just this quarter; that segment has been shrinking. GM knew this segment was shrinking, which is why they originally killed the Camaro. Now it’s back and probably more costly than ever. The New Camaro won’t help solve GM’s financial crisis; it will only add to it.
Should we be singing GM’s praises for this? Recommending Wagoner for a big bonus?
Muscle cars are dead. They belong to the past. If GM was bringing out something bold and new, I might at least love the car, even if I thought it wouldn’t help GM but this is a cheesy rip-off of the ’60’s not a bold, forward-thinking move. It’s not even as good-looking as the original Camaro.
Muscle cars are dead. They belong to the past. If GM was bringing out something bold and new, I might at least love the car, even if I thought it wouldn’t help GM but this is a cheesy rip-off of the ’60’s not a bold, forward-thinking move. It’s not even as good-looking as the original Camaro.
People were saying that muscle cars were dead in the ’70s. They’ll survive. They may change, but they’ll survive. And it’s drummed up plenty of interest, it’ll sell enough to warrant continued production.
it’ll sell enough to warrant continued production.
For six months. Maybe. You’ll want to reexamine that statement when the Challenger ends it’s first year.
Image cars suffer a fickle market. The ones that have staying power–the PT Cruiser and Mini Cooper come to mind–have a modicum of practicality. This and the Challenger will sell, at a profit, to a handful of buyers and then rot on the lot, selling low-margin Secretary’s Car versions at discount.
FWIW, someone was driving a brand new blue Camaro down one of the streets in Philthydelphia the night of the Phillies’ World Series win. It was obviously a dealer or someone, the car still had the window sticker & plastic coverings and stuff on the seats.
The blue color on it was really nice, but the car isn’t really unique looking tbh.
For six months. Maybe. You’ll want to reexamine that statement when the Challenger ends it’s first year.
I’m gonna have to disagree with you there. I think it’ll sell well, and that GM will make a profit. I’m pretty confident in that.
Farago should open a book in Vegas and link the site to it. With proper security, I’d be willing to place a $10 bet on the New Camaro’s first year sales. I’m thinking 85K or fewer.
I’m gonna have to disagree with you there. I think it’ll sell well, and that GM will make a profit. I’m pretty confident in that.
I’d believe that if they share the platform with something else, but the Zeta Chevy has been kiboshed, the G8 is going away and the plans to unify Sigma (CTS, STS, SRX) and Zeta were mothballed.
This is a one-car, one platform deal, and it’s not a high-volume car at that. Chrysler, at least, leveraged the Challenger across three other cars who had already amortized much of the platform’s cost. Ford decontented an existing platform to make the Mustang and used some pretty crude mechanicals (the 4.0L six, the rear axle, the parts-bin switchgear).
GM is using a high-value engine, an expensive platform and leveraging it across, er, one model. A low-volume model. They’re launching it into a market with little appetite for discretionary cars (Ford launched the Mustang in the fattest part of the decade) and they’re up against a competitor that can sell their product for a lower price.
I don’t doubt that it’s a good car, but strategically it’s stupid.
The GM forums have been shrieking about the Camaro for years (Lutz’s forum for a time was choked with posters begging him to bring it back).
It’s coming back, already! Unless GM crashes and burns before then, or severely restricts production, all those lusting for this overhyped RWD vehicle can get in line to actually buy one.
Meanwhile, if they just can’t wait, why not get the Pontiac G8 with the biggest engine, and enjoy RWD pleasure?
I know it’s almost a cliche, but I would already have a Pontiac G8 GT if I could purchase it with a manual transmission.
I don’t have any delusions about my shifting ability. I don’t have anything against automatic transmissions. My current car has an automatic transmission, and it’s boring. I plan to keep my next car for quite a long time, and I don’t want to get bored with it. Therefore, I want a manual transmission.
This is a one-car, one platform deal, and it’s not a high-volume car at that.
I thought GM’s target was 100K Camaros a year? That may seem pie-in-the-sky high now, but since the Zeta architecture and the motors came from somewhere else in the GM world, the cost of developing the car can’t be that high, can it?
Maybe with some more bailout bucks, GM can get the Zeta back on track again… maybe not, but it could happen…
kurtamaxxguy: “The GM forums have been shrieking about the Camaro for years…”
I hope reading GM forums isn’t what passes for marketing at GM. That would be the input of very few people blown w-a-a-a-y out of proportion.
I’ve been seeing this car for so long it somehow seems old even before hitting the streets.
I love the fact that GM is doing the Camaro (though I don’t fit in it..) It made sense when it was part of a lineup of RWD Zeta vehicles, but now as an orphan, I don’t see how it is going to be profitable, or keep Mikey’s plant open. Just like the Solstice/Sky, great car, but a single low-volume vehicle off a unique platform in a standalone assembly plant. Can’t imagine there is much profit coming off either of those cars…
Can’t imagine there is much profit coming off either of those cars…
On the one hand, the Camaro shares the platform with the G8/Commodore (I don’t know how you guys are calling the Camaro an orphan…) and the engine and transmission with the Corvette, so the development costs can’t be THAT high. On the other hand, the Solstice/Sky shares a lot of stuff with other GM cars (engine with the Cobalt, HVAC with the Hummer H3, side-view mirrors with the Fiat Barchetta… the Wikipedia article on the Solstice lists ’em all…) and it STILL loses $10K per car sold. I guess it depends on the production numbers, then…
wow, lookee all the camaroes that even if they ever in a million years build, no body is gonna buy! case in point: Today in oil rich, rig-pig, more money than brains Alberta Canada, I’ve seen a grand total of 2 Dodge Challenger R/T’s on the street. Why so few? Because everybody is driving Z06 Corvettes and BMW M3s and Audi RS4s…and 911 Turbos, and EVO Xs. And Vipers. And AMG Mercs.
Current Gas price at the pump in Edmonton Alberta: 86 cents a litre.