I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade, but it was those truck and SUV sales (read: profits, albeit less now) that allowed GM to develop all these shiny new SUV-looking non-SUVs.
HA! Self image is a hell of a thing, too. If accommodating people were the primary prerequisite Chrysis might not be in such bad shape. I’ve seen more people fit in a Quest than I’ve seen in an Expedition.
John R. beat me too it. Yes, if they had been looking for lots of space, rather than their (apparently missing) masculinity, they would have bought minivans.
And call these new replacements for SUVs what they are: station wagons. (That marketing name is another symptom that people are seeking self image, and not practicality.)
Even now more people want to buy the Silverado from GM than anything else. They obviously cannot completely abandon trucks or SUVs as those are the types of vehicles Americans want to buy from them the most.
What they need to stop doing is releasing an endless amount of them under multiple brands. Like the upcoming GMC Terrain, and the Cadillac SRX, and the Saturn Outlook (as good as it is) and other more niche SUVS at weak brands that are unlikely to sell well at all.
John R, I agree. My inlaws’ Suburban holds no more than my minivan, and I get all the same gear on board and get 20% better mpg. As a bonus, I can also navigate the stadium parking lot without a tug boat & lines.
roadracer: “Those of us who tow trailers don’t have much use for minivans; it’s not all image.”
My minivan is rated to tow 3500lbs. I doubt I could accomodate two or three horses in a covered trailer but a sailboat or fishing boat I would actually be willing to buy would fit into that and renting a U-Haul and moving a kid from one end of the state to another is certainly within its capability.
I know a couple people who bought Suburbans, etc, so that they could tow something big, when the need arose… like they when they finally bought that big power boat or whatever. They never did buy the big boat but they still had to make the payments and fill the tank.
I know a couple people who bought Suburbans, etc, so that they could tow something big, when the need arose… like they when they finally bought that big power boat or whatever. They never did buy the big boat but they still had to make the payments and fill the tank.
Heard that one many times. People buy for what they “might someday” do but never do it.
Does this mean I can find a killer deal on a standard cab/standard bed Silverado now to haul my crap two states over for my new job? My 2006 Fusion just won’t hold a bed!
Yes, if they had been looking for lots of space, rather than their (apparently missing) masculinity, they would have bought minivans.
Isn’t it about time to abandon the “small penis” crap. Most cars are bought with some sort of self-image in mind. Thus it has always been, otherwise, everyone would drive Civics, Corollas, and mini-vans. Does anyone really “need” an LS400, Porsche, or virtually any “sports-car”?
I see nothing wrong with folks buying what they want. Its their money after all.
Extra space with carlike stance and MPG’s? Has everyone forgotten what station wagons were? Oh right I forgot, they’re DOA and apparently SW’s an insult for some people.
@jimmy2x: I see nothing wrong with folks buying what they want. Its their money after all.
Then how come I can’t buy any EU-market or JDM-market model I desire, or for that matter, a new vehicle without pollution controls and safety features?
I’m all for free markets, but the argument that “people should be able to buy whatever they want” has more holes in it than the bed of a mid-80’s pickup that’s spent its life in the upper Midwest.
I’m all for free markets, but the argument that “people should be able to buy whatever they want” has more holes in it than the bed of a mid-80’s pickup that’s spent its life in the upper Midwest.
Pleeze – I made no reference to grey market or vehicles not up to current safety standards. I just get tired of the current “herd mentality” that pile on people for owning vehicles that somehow have been determined to be either politically incorrect or penis enhancers.
BuzzDog: Then how come I can’t buy any EU-market or JDM-market model I desire, or for that matter, a new vehicle without pollution controls and safety features?
You should be directing your ire at the federal government, which forbids the importation of those vehicles, not GM or SUV owners.
No ire here, and no disagreement. Just pointing out that we need to look at all sides of public policy decisions. After all, CAFE was largely responsible for the increased popularity of truck-based vehicles.
I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade, but it was those truck and SUV sales (read: profits, albeit less now) that allowed GM to develop all these shiny new SUV-looking non-SUVs.
“…bought SUVs to accommodate our families…”
HA! Self image is a hell of a thing, too. If accommodating people were the primary prerequisite Chrysis might not be in such bad shape. I’ve seen more people fit in a Quest than I’ve seen in an Expedition.
John R. beat me too it. Yes, if they had been looking for lots of space, rather than their (apparently missing) masculinity, they would have bought minivans.
And call these new replacements for SUVs what they are: station wagons. (That marketing name is another symptom that people are seeking self image, and not practicality.)
yeah makes alot of sense. Top 2 vehicles sold in 2008:
1) Ford F-150
2) Chevy Silverado
Those of us who tow trailers don’t have much use for minivans; it’s not all image.
Yeah, right.
Even now more people want to buy the Silverado from GM than anything else. They obviously cannot completely abandon trucks or SUVs as those are the types of vehicles Americans want to buy from them the most.
What they need to stop doing is releasing an endless amount of them under multiple brands. Like the upcoming GMC Terrain, and the Cadillac SRX, and the Saturn Outlook (as good as it is) and other more niche SUVS at weak brands that are unlikely to sell well at all.
John R, I agree. My inlaws’ Suburban holds no more than my minivan, and I get all the same gear on board and get 20% better mpg. As a bonus, I can also navigate the stadium parking lot without a tug boat & lines.
Three thoughts:
1. Horses for courses.
2. Did GM introduce anything in Detroit that they will actually make before they go belly-up?
3. GM, welcome to the cross-over era. But you’re a little late. The Outback has been around for quite some time now.
roadracer: “Those of us who tow trailers don’t have much use for minivans; it’s not all image.”
My minivan is rated to tow 3500lbs. I doubt I could accomodate two or three horses in a covered trailer but a sailboat or fishing boat I would actually be willing to buy would fit into that and renting a U-Haul and moving a kid from one end of the state to another is certainly within its capability.
I know a couple people who bought Suburbans, etc, so that they could tow something big, when the need arose… like they when they finally bought that big power boat or whatever. They never did buy the big boat but they still had to make the payments and fill the tank.
I know a couple people who bought Suburbans, etc, so that they could tow something big, when the need arose… like they when they finally bought that big power boat or whatever. They never did buy the big boat but they still had to make the payments and fill the tank.
Heard that one many times. People buy for what they “might someday” do but never do it.
John
Does this mean I can find a killer deal on a standard cab/standard bed Silverado now to haul my crap two states over for my new job? My 2006 Fusion just won’t hold a bed!
Yes, if they had been looking for lots of space, rather than their (apparently missing) masculinity, they would have bought minivans.
Isn’t it about time to abandon the “small penis” crap. Most cars are bought with some sort of self-image in mind. Thus it has always been, otherwise, everyone would drive Civics, Corollas, and mini-vans. Does anyone really “need” an LS400, Porsche, or virtually any “sports-car”?
I see nothing wrong with folks buying what they want. Its their money after all.
I love the guy talking about aerodynamics in front of the flat plate front end. “Well we put an airdam on it…”
Extra space with carlike stance and MPG’s? Has everyone forgotten what station wagons were? Oh right I forgot, they’re DOA and apparently SW’s an insult for some people.
@jimmy2x:
“I see nothing wrong with folks buying what they want. Its their money after all.”
No, it’s their money until the government says it’s their money.
@ SirRoxo:
There is indeed a large, moneyed segment of the population with a seemingly pathological hatred of the station wagon or anything resembling one.
Unless you raise the wagon 4 or 5 inches.
And call it an “ESS-YUU-VEE”!
or an Outback.
@jimmy2x: I see nothing wrong with folks buying what they want. Its their money after all.
Then how come I can’t buy any EU-market or JDM-market model I desire, or for that matter, a new vehicle without pollution controls and safety features?
I’m all for free markets, but the argument that “people should be able to buy whatever they want” has more holes in it than the bed of a mid-80’s pickup that’s spent its life in the upper Midwest.
I’m all for free markets, but the argument that “people should be able to buy whatever they want” has more holes in it than the bed of a mid-80’s pickup that’s spent its life in the upper Midwest.
Pleeze – I made no reference to grey market or vehicles not up to current safety standards. I just get tired of the current “herd mentality” that pile on people for owning vehicles that somehow have been determined to be either politically incorrect or penis enhancers.
BuzzDog: Then how come I can’t buy any EU-market or JDM-market model I desire, or for that matter, a new vehicle without pollution controls and safety features?
You should be directing your ire at the federal government, which forbids the importation of those vehicles, not GM or SUV owners.
No ire here, and no disagreement. Just pointing out that we need to look at all sides of public policy decisions. After all, CAFE was largely responsible for the increased popularity of truck-based vehicles.