By on April 11, 2009

I used to travel over 40,000 miles a year . . . and enjoyed it. No offices. No cubicles. Only me and the radio on the way to auctions in three different states. Heck, I didn’t even have a cell phone at the time. So long as I showed up at the auctions thirty minutes before the start nobody really cared. I read books. Wrote articles. Saw the rural south, and probably met about 2,000 people in my travels. But these days my priorities have changed . . . I hate losing all this time. And I’m not the only one.

Now that I mule trade (buy and sell) more than I bid call, I need to dedicate more time to finding cars. A lot more. Believe it or not, though, that’s not the hard part for me. The difficulty comes from simply wasting time. The time I drive to and from the auctions. The time I handle mechanical and transport issues. The time I dedicate to the crisis of the day. The time I research cars on the internet and the hours upon hours I spend on the phone. I miss the days when I only dealt with cash customers and really miss the days when I could just go to the auctions, get my check, and go home. I love cars and I love people. But there are days when both seem to be an enormous waste of time.

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13 Comments on “Hammer Time: Transaction Costs...”


  • avatar
    Paul Niedermeyer

    Sounds like you need a vacation; or maybe move to Eugene?

  • avatar
    Matthew Danda

    Are you discussing yourself, the job change, or the state of the industry?

  • avatar
    mcs

    I think I know what you’re going through. I sort of went through the same thing. After working at one career for 33 years I was starting to get a bit burned out.

    One night I was watching a game on tv and thought about how exciting it would be to work in pro sports management instead of what I was doing. Something different that I’d have fun at. So I took a chance and put together my resume along with a long cover letter explaining what I wanted to do and how my skills could benefit the team and sent it to them.

    To my surprise, they hired me and now I’m doing something different with new energy that I had lost with the other career. If I keep advancing, I’ll stick with it. Otherwise, I’ve kept my old connections and I’ll go back to what I was doing before. If I do go back I’ll return refreshed and much better off than if I hadn’t taken a break.

    I realize that everyone can’t make that kind of career change. I was lucky and could afford to take an initial pay hit to make the change. However, there are other things you can do. Sometimes doing volunteer work can be good for recharging your batteries. Hospitals are always in need of help and you could utilize your people skills.

    I wish you luck.

  • avatar
    Robstar

    I always enjoy driving no matter what it is or how many wheels it has. The problems these days is I don’t like driving without a destination.

    I work every other saturday & am on call every other week so it’s very difficult to find time to do ANY driving.

    I really would like to roadtrip to Alaska…

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    That’s funny. I wrote this WHILE I was on vacation. Unfortunately I couldn’t keep work at bay and I’m juggling other matters at the moment that add to the stress (death in the family).

    It’s not so much of a job change as it’s been a job evolution over the years. I don’t regret making the transfer. The market for auctioneers will no doubt decline over the next several years and I’ve already seen one major outfit go completely to the internet.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if auto auctioneers become the proverbial equivalent of the buggy whip… and I think it will come from the manufacturers taking as much control of their vehicles as they can from beginning to end. There is a lot of money and interest in making vehicles proprietary… and it’s not so much to protect the customer as it is to maximize long-term earnings. As it is now, the internet is definitely taking over as are other forms of automotive remarketing.

    mcs, I would be just as happy going to the auctions, researching and inspecting the cars, buying the ones with the strongest potential, and then going home. The car nerd in me just loves figuring out the history and background of vehicles. I almost feel like ‘Monk’ or ‘Colombo’ at the auctions when I’m on the buyer’s side of the equation. On most of my purchases I usually end up knowing as much about the prior owner as I do about the car.

    Oh, RF, ” Believe it or not thought”… when you can please alter thought to though. It was my mistake after the 53rd daydream this vacation. I did get your message, but I just came home 20 minutes ago. Thanks!

  • avatar
    jjdaddyo

    Hey, it’s my exit!

  • avatar
    Lokki

    It’s not so much of a job change as it’s been a job evolution over the years.

    Sigh – when I started my craft, the secretary would bring the morning mail and I’d read it, smoke my pipe, think the matters through, and draft a response for my secretary to type, and mail.

    Now there’s no secretary, and no pipe, and 150 emails per day.

  • avatar
    MadHungarian

    Hey, that definitely is MY exit too! That’s southbound on the Talmadge Bridge (US 17) coming into Savannah. What auction were you visiting in Savannah? Next time you’re heading my way you gotta let me know, so we can show you some proper southern hospitality!

  • avatar

    @Steve:

    I feel with you, man. Times are tough for us in the auto trade, even in formerly thought “recession proof” areas, such as peddling parts or jalopies. When a cheerful, positive guy called Steve Lang gets depressed, it depresses me. Take some time off. I’m seriously thinking to do the same. When you see no more posts from BS, he’s in Mongolia.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if auto auctioneers become the proverbial equivalent of the buggy whip… and I think it will come from the manufacturers taking as much control of their vehicles as they can from beginning to end. There is a lot of money and interest in making vehicles proprietary… and it’s not so much to protect the customer as it is to maximize long-term earnings.

    Don’t worry about THAT. I’ve been in the industry all of my professional life,and for the last 20 years, I’ve heard talk by the auto makers to take control of the “value chain from cradle to grave.” It was and is all talk. They can’t even get their core business right, namely shoving autos out of the door. We all know that the real money is in financing and after sales. They blow it. When GMAC was sold off, this was the beginning of the end. GM could make money hands over fist by establishing a “Mr. Goodwrench” service only franchise – do they? 20 years ago, at the beginning of the “lets get control of the value chain” talk, I invented an independent service only franchise for VW, called “Stop+Go” – it’s still alive. They never really supported it, relaunched it 5 times, made it a board level priority, rolled it out internationally, and it still is starving. A minor facelift for the Caddy gets more attention.

    Don’t worry, after sales won’t get disintermediated by the auto makers. They are busy disintermediating themselves.

  • avatar
    Robert.Walter

    1. I was going to write the same comments re. core and down-stream value capture (minus the stop+go, and disintermediation comments) but BS beat me to it … BS spoke of Goodwrench and Stop+Go, but don’t forget Ford’s Nasser trying to move horizontally across the market w/ Quik-Fit, recycling yards, etc. before retrenching…

    2. I know nothing of the auction industry, but suspect that regionally concentrated pools of used metal, will still be preferred by those buying (or selecting from) bulk offerings (this is due to the “rip-off – see it in person = profit” equation), so I’d think consolidation rather than elimination here.

    (p.s. Re. pt. 2, perhaps I don’t see something here, like the metal still collects regionally, but bidding is more like eBay, than a guy in a straw hat holding a mike, under this scenario, several cars could be sold simultaneously, and the guy in the hat – who far as I know, sells only one at a time – could get squeezed.)

    (Steve, I hope before your vacation ends, you find some perspective to your dilemma. Good luck.)

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    This is where the internet is making inroads AND eliminating the auctioneer:

    1) Lemmings : Many of the manufacturers don’t need help from the auction or auctioneer when selling some of this inventory. Right now there is rampant oversupply which is helping the auctions keep decent margins. But about half of these vehicles are being sold over the internet and many of the manufacturers have their own web sites and intranets dedicated to remarketing their own vehicles.

    2) Salvage : This is a huge portion of the market. The decline of the dollar and consolidation of the salvage auction business has made internet sales the norm. Copart, the largest salvage auction outfit in the nation, already sells all their units through the internet.

    Most auction companies offer sales that provide live auctions as well as the internet. Then there are the impound lot auctions which require the sales to be done on site. Right now there’s a lot of them to go around, and I’ve been focusing on that side of the auction market for the last six years. I can literally do two impound sales and get paid more than the large auction outfits.

    There are also auctioneers going to the larger dealerships and performing the auctions on site. This eliminates the costs of transport, high sale fees, and the lesser demand you can get from being a small fish in a large auction. Ironically, the larger outfits are having far big problems with marketing this service than the small scale auctioneer because of the last two issues.

  • avatar
    tsofting

    This is exactly why TTAC makes great reading; people share their thoughts in such a way that I feel I get to know the most profiled contributors! I have thought thoughts very similar to Steven’s in my setting; Excel training and consulting. My ponderings have been: what happens the day all “resource management systems” (or accounting systems as they used to be called before the acronymers renamed them) are able to grind and chew the numbers exactly the way the users want? Will companies and organizations stop using Excel? So far, my worries have been unjustified. The more advanced the accounting systems become, the more people seem to use Excel to chew their numbers!

    So, Steven, I believe the automakers’ ambitions to control more of (or the whole) value chain is slightly challenged by their abilities. But, you can be sure that more of the auction business will move over to the internet, so if I were you, I would do some serious brain storming on how to position myself in that part of the market!

    Best of luck!

  • avatar
    joeaverage

    Yeah, great article.

    Tsofting: perhaps you should give a look to Linux (see Mint Linux KDE) and OpenOffice. Both are totally free and making inroads at the local university with faculty and students alike. Neither serve all the needs of advanced users but both could serve the needs of most users. Wikipedia has details.

    I used to buy and sell on the side but that was when cars were more simple (carburetor era). Interesting how America is changing on so many “fronts”. The old businesses are being undermined by new ideas and rendered obsolete. I have a friend who buys from Copart auctions often. I’ll likely buy my next car that way through him – a minor wrecked vehicle.

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