Buick: Enclave, LaCrosse, Lucerne
Cadillac: CTS/CTS-V, CTS Sport Wagon, DTS/DTS Platinum, Escalade/ESV/EXT/Platinum, Escalade Hybrid/Platinum Hybrid, SRX, STS
Chevrolet Cars: Aveo Sedan/Aveo5, Camaro/Camaro SS, Cobalt/Cobalt SS, Corvette/Corvette Z06, Corvette Grand Sport, Corvette ZR1, Impala, Malibu
Chevrolet Trucks: Avalanche, Colorado, Equinox, Express, HHR/Panel/SS, Silverado 1500, Silverado HD, Silverado Hybrid, Suburban, Tahoe, Tahoe Hybrid, Traverse
GMC: Acadia, Canyon, Savana, Sierra 1500/Denali, Sierra HD, Sierra Hybrid, Terrain, Yukon & Yukon Denali/Yukon XL & Yukon XL Denali, Yukon Hybrid/Denali Hybrid
Pontiac: Vibe
NB: The Chevrolet Volt is currently scheduled for “late 2010” as a 2011 model year vehicle. [thanks to JT for the heads up.]
Pontiac Vibe!? If the product list was done with pictures, they could reuse the same pictures for Chevy Trucks and GMC trucks.
I see something wrong. With the disintegration of GMC’s medium duty truck business, its remaining business lacks any compelling case to continue. To that end, every GMC product should be eliminated now.
So will the “Pontiac is dead; long live the GMC Pontiac Vibe” exist because of contracts signed with NUMMI to produce them?
Will they have a little (or way overlarge) GMC logo instead of the vertical arrow-head logo on the split grill?
I thought GM had said the Vibe would die.
Not complaining; it’s probably the best car GM makes (if only becuase it’s a Toyota in drag).
Isn’t there something missing here?
Some new car to debut in 2010?
The “Ohm”, or something like that?
62% trucks
38% cars
Shouldn’t GMC entirely be off that list? What’s the difference between GMC and a regular Chevy counterpart anyway? Besides a badge. Oh, wait…
Also, there’s no Z28 offering.
– Still selling the SRX
– Still selling the same exact truck lineup in Chevy and GMC
– No Pontiac performance division
Looks like a big mismanaged lineup turned into a smaller mismanaged lineup. Thank you, CEO Big Brother.
Yea, Pontiac. Plus the cars are out of order with too many variations. Here they are in the traditional smallest to largest order with BOF trucks separate from CUV’s:
Buick: LaCrosse, Lucerne, Enclave
Cadillac: CTS, STS, DTS, SRX, Escalade/ESV/EXT
Chevrolet Cars: Aveo Sedan/Aveo5, Cobalt, Malibu, Impala, Camaro, Corvette/ZR1
Chevrolet Trucks: Colorado, Avalanche, Silverado 1500/HD, Tahoe, Suburban, Express, HHR, Equinox, Traverse
GMC: Canyon, Sierra 1500/HD, Yukon, Savana, Terrain, Acadia
??Pontiac, Vibe??
Hmm… the only vehicle to be present in all four brands is the Enclave/SRX/Traverse/Acadia and it’s an SUV. Or is the Caddy SRX based off the Chevy Equinox?
Should be:
Buick:Enclave,GNX (replaces Pontiac G8 GPX),Lucerne, Skylark (replaces Pontiac G6)
Cadillac:CTS-V,DTS Platinum, Escalade EXT/EXV Platinum Hybrid, Escalade, SRX, STS
Chevrolet Cars:Aveo/Aveo5, Camaro/Camaro SS, Cobalt/Cobalt SS, Corvette, Corvette ZR1, Malibu, Malibu SS
Chevrolet Trucks: Avalanche, Colorado, Equinox, Express, HHR/Panel/SS, Silverado 1500, Silverado HD, Suburban, Tahoe, Traverse
GMC:Acadia, Sierra Denali, Sierra HD, Sierra Hybrid, Terrain, Yukon XL & Yukon XL Denali, Pontiac Vibe
Escalade EXT? Cadillac DTS Platinum? A bunch of badge engineered GMC trucks? The new GM looks too much like the old GM.
“What’s wrong?”
ummmmmm………damn near everything?
Chevrolet Cars: Astra rebadge (get rid Aveo), Cruze (get rid of Cobalt), Vibe, Impala, Malibu, Solstice, Camaro
Chevrolet Trucks: HHR, Traverse, Equinox, Colorado, Avalanche, Express, Silverado 1500, Suburban, Tahoe, Silverado HD (if GM wants to keep GMC – make it trucks only and take from Chevrolet)
Cadillac Cars: CTS, DTS, STS, Corvette as a brand name but sold only in Cadillac dealers.
Cadillac Trucks: Escalade, SRX
Honestly these two brands are all that are needed and will reduce so much redundancy across the entire lineup and back offices it’ll save them millions. Cadillac for high end luxury and super sports cars. Chevrolet for everything else – cars / trucks.
GMC / Buick – defunct as it does not have anything unique except rebadges…why these brands didn’t get the axe compared to Pontiac and Saturn (which actually had some differentiated products with the G8, Astra, Sky/Solstice).
It didn’t sell in 2009 or 2008 or 2007 …
Lol at the Vibe. You’d think they would just stick a bowtie on it like they did when Chevy inherited the Geo Prizm and Tracker.
Still too much overlap. You would think the SRX and CTS sports wagon appeal to the same customers.
And aren’t Buick and GMC sold through the same outlets now? Why keep both the Enclave and Acadia?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Rather vague question.. “What’s wrong?”… Hard to answer until someone explains what the “goal” is for the new Government Motors.
Profit? Doubtful given the decisions made so far..
Keeping people employed? Seems like a half assed attempt at that given the thousands of layoffs, but maybe Obama will mandate/fund minimum production volumes to reopen plants.
Fuel Economy? Way to many trucks…
Win votes? The dealer shut downs/layoffs sure aren’t helping..
Maybe all 2010 vehicles comes with fine Corinthian leather to appease the “Corinthian leather lobby”?
I’m really not sure what the goal is anymore for GM.
I bet comments from GM’s boardroom during the C11 talks was “so much crap, so little time! This list looks good!”
No, but seriously… too many trucks, GMC and duplicate products are redundant, no Cruze (Yes, I know they said it would be a 2011, but if they’re already selling them in Europe now… what’s the big fu**ing deal?), and no real competitor to the Fusion Hybrid (if they really wanted to get their game on).
And no G8 GXP. I really hoped the best for it..
Oooooooooo. I am simply awed by the fuel-efficent greenness of the New General Motors.
It doesn’t appear that anyone sane is steering the Gov’t Motors ship away from more icebergs. Still selling too many products.
Also, is anyone at GM paying attention to the price of gas? Here in fruit and nut land, it’s just a hair under $3/gallon and going up.
If they want to keep GMC then make GMC all trucks and Chevrolet all cars. They’re the same vehicles anyways and I personally prefer the GMC front end over the Chevy’s.
What happened to the Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais Ciera Supreme Delta-88 Holiday Supreme Regency Cruiser “Brougham Edition”?
I drove a Vibe, thinking it might be suitable for my needs.
1] No rebates for June. $16.5k gets you a Corolla hatch (it’s no longer a wagon, unlike the original Vibe/Matrix) with manual everything. Not a good price.
2] I went to check out the glovebox and the latch broke off in my hand.
/end test drive
Lets see, the Camaro and the Impala,both made the cut.That translates into a few more pension checks for me.
NO…..No I can’t find anything wrong with this picture.
So, which of these is the Pelosi-mobile?
What’s Wrong?
1. The fact that it even exists or GM even exists due to prying my taxpaying wallet open to support its zombie waistoid existence
2. Pontiac Vibe should become Chevrolet Vibe if the Toyota/NUMMI contract is driving the production to continue. Can’t be that hard to stick some bowties over the arrow heads can it
3. GMC?
4. These products will be produced by the UAW
5. Which ones meet the new upcoming 35mpg CAFE regulations…the Aveo? The Vibe? produced by Daewoo or Toyota and not your Government Motors
The ruination of the Pontiac brand by bitch slapping and insulting it by making it’s last one lone 2010 model a Toyota Vibe….. Sic
No more Trailblazer/Envoy? Finally a model gets cut, they need more of that.
Yes it’s bloated, but in that huge list there are actually quite a few good cars. Maybe not class-leading in any segment and not many of these cars would be at the top of my list but I wouldn’t be embarrassed to drive most of these vehicles (which I couldn’t say in the past).
I’d probably take an Impala over an Avalon for example and save at least 5k in the process.
Looks like the only thing standing out in the GMC line is the Terrain. It does nothing for me and can’t see the justification of this over the Acadia.
The Impala is competitive against the Avalon – how?
It’s like comparing a soap box derby car with a Porsche.
Yeah I hear ya,ponchoman49.It brings tears to my eyes to see my beloved Pontiac’s die this way.
However as someone who has a vested interest in GMs survival, Pontiac had to die.At this stage of the game,changing the Vibe badge woudn’t make sense.
too GD many GMC trucks
Well, aside from losing the G8, there’s still an awful lot of badge engineering:
Buick: Enclave (Acadia/Traverse)
Cadillac: Escalade/ESV/EXT/Platinum, Escalade Hybrid/Platinum Hybrid (Tahoe/Yukon)
Chevrolet Trucks: Traverse (Enclave/Acadia)
GMC: everything
@menno…The Impala is superior in every aspect to an Avalon.
so chevy trucks are still identical to GMC trucks?
pointless.
How do the SS and V models live on if GM disbanded its performance division? Will they simply become badge monkeys with little to back them up in the way of new technology, power, and engineering?
Hertz is happy I’m sure.
The “new” GM looks a lot like the “old” GM.
mikey :
Yeah I hear ya,ponchoman49.It brings tears to my eyes to see my beloved Pontiac’s die this way.
If anyone is still running the analogy with British Leyland, then the last Triumph (BL’s “Excitement” division) before the brand died was a rebadged Honda Civic.
What’s wrong?
Looks like about the same list that sold more than any other mfg. last year…
Everything here fits in one of these three categories:
1. It doesn’t interest me.
2. I can’t afford it.
3. I can’t afford it, AND it doesn’t interest me.
Seems lika a “Malaise Era” list to me.
Styling wise there isn’t one GM car I really like. Even the Corvette, 90’s era jellybeanish to me.
Too many Cadillacs, at too low prices. Cadillac should be a high-end marque, in order to leave room for Buick. CTS-V, STS V8, Escalade. That should be it.
As others have said, either shutter GMC and sell Chevy trucks at Buick dealers, or shutter Chevy trucks and sell GMC trucks at Chevy dealers.
That’s still quite a few nameplates. I count over 30, although nearly a third are from GMC. I don’t mind Buick and it’s three nameplates remaining alive as much as I thought, but GMC…I mean, I understand the economics behind it…sort of…BPG dealers losing their P and all, but still I can’t support keeping it in the long-term.
For all you that said there is still too many trucks in that list…guess what was the 2nd best selling vehicle in the United States? The Silverado.. 1st was the F-150.
You will never get it until you open you mind to the facts…
Figured the Vibe would be renamed Pelosi 5000 GTRSxi
What’s wrong? Same junk, different day, now with Hybrid badging for only $5k extra!
It’s heartening to see the Corvette, particularly the ZR1, being spared the cull. The rest amounts to “we have learned nothing, thanks for the billions!”.
@kkt:
I totally agree about Cadillac.
Just drove by a Cadillac-Hummer dealership at lunch. Sad thing is that there is a very beautiful Mercedes dealer here (the building is a work of art), a snazzy looking Jag dealer, a downtown-posh BMW dealer, and…well, the Cadillac dealer looked like it should have a blow-up gorilla on top and free hotdogs for the kids.
That typifies GM’s brand madness. The Cadillac brand manager finds that there isn’t enough niche market so he expands it into smaller sporty cars and SUVs. Now there are a gazillion Caddy models, trying to duplicate the soup-to-nuts lineup.
The other problem with Cadillac? You say DeVille, Eldorado, or Fleetwood and I immediately picture the car in my mind. CTS, DTS, STS, ETS – WTF? Dumbest naming standard ever. To me a “CTS” sounds like “CRX” (of unpleasant memory), “STS” sounds like it should be some kind of high-tech braking system, “ETS” sounds like a company Ross Perot would run, etc. A company projects an image with the name of its cars, and it’s practically free, so why piss it away with these silly names?
(Mostly)Same shyte, different year.
1. Why can’t they sell the Vibe as a Chevy? After they folded up the GEO brand, they sold the NUMMI-made cars as Chevvies….(bring back the NOVA nameplate?)
2. This is no time for half-measures, and I see lots and lots of 1/2, quarter and tenth-measures here. Will somebody do the decent thing and do a Soprano on the GMC brand already?
3. So, two dealership networks? Chevy and BuCaddieMC? (Presuming they follow my advice in item one re: the Vibe….). If that’s so, why do they need to sell the Denali and the Escalade? Eliminate all Caddilac versions of trucks. The ‘Sclade and its variants can all go away. I don’t think any big GM SUV buyer is gonna turn around outta the showroom and go buy a Sequoia because they are now badging ‘Sclades as Denalis…..
dcdriver:
I’d probably take an Impala over an Avalon for example and save at least 5k in the process.
So we can agree that Chevy can out-cheap Toyota. This is what is wrong with this picture – they are continuing to do it.
For all you idiots that said there is still too many trucks in that list…guess what was the 2nd best selling vehicle in the United States? The Silverado.. 1st was the F-150.
The point, I think, is why does GM need 2 or 3 versions of every truck? Why can’t GM sell all of their trucks at Chevy dealers, or GMC dealers? However, if you want to argue about the facts, look at what happened to truck sales last year when gas got up towards $5 a gallon. They dropped off quite a bit. Gas is going back up again, and will absolutely be $5 a gallon again, do you think people are going to be inclined to buy trucks that get poor fuel mileage? I seriously doubt it. Trucks sell great when gas is cheap, but that will not last for much longer.
Trick question, right?
Like HALO-jumping a perfectly sane person into the pool of “Rehab at The Hard Rock” in Las Vegas and setting him the task of pointing out the douchebags.
+I Like Turtles!
niteriderC5 – it is exactly because of the silverado’s good sales number (and chevy’s resulting brand awareness strength) that ANYTHING with a GMC badge on it should have been axed long ago. I know it’s beating a dead horse but I haven’t understood the thinking behind keeping GMC for years now – and I’m only 24.
Nothing there I’d ever seriously consider buying. If someone gave me one, I guess I’d take a Corvette if I could sell it after a few weeks, and the ToyotaPontiac Vibe if I actually had to keep it.
niteriderc5 :
If they’d eliminate GMC then the Silverado would have a shot at being the #1 truck sold in the US. The problem is that there is no clear reason for GMC to exist at all (especially if the whole lineup can be had from Chevy with a different grill/badge).
If they really want to keep GMC, then Get rid of Chevy trucks and make GMC the outlet for *all* GM trucks. Though, as you’ve already said, the Silverado was the 2nd best selling truck in the US so GMC is a pointless distraction at this point.
edit – Bodyonframe beat me to it but I’ll leave this up anyhow.
guess what was the 2nd best selling vehicle in the United States? The Silverado
That must be what’s keeping GM out of financial trouble.
Buick is still on it.
John
Lutz comment about Buick being a damaged brand still haunts the Buick line. LaCross, and Lucerne are really weak names to begin with, and there they are, still being weak.
BUICK – Built Under Instruction of Captain Kangaroo
Lose the STS
Lose Malibu, not the car just the name. people like the Impala name better. Make the current Malibu the Impala, drop the Impala.
“…The Impala is superior in every aspect to an Avalon.”
That’s a new one
GMC has to stay because if they go the Buick dealers will go out of business.
“Gas is going back up again, and will absolutely be $5 a gallon again, do you think people are going to be inclined to buy trucks that get poor fuel mileage? I seriously doubt it. Trucks sell great when gas is cheap, but that will not last for much longer.”
When I was a kid gas was under $1.00, people bought trucks. Gas went over a dollar, people bought trucks, gas went over 2 dollars, people bought trucks. The only times when trucks are not the best selling vehicles in the US is for a few months just as the price of fuel goes up. Happened in the 1970s when inflation happened, happened in the 80s recession, happened last year.
We get used to paying extra for fuel, we don’t get used to small cars.
affabro- I agree on the Cadillac naming
Actually, Buick looks like an alright brand in this group. Three models that I’ve heard of and heard vaguely good things about.
Still too many products stepping on each other’s toes, in the same dealership:
Enclave and Acadia
Lacrosse and Lucerne
SRX and CTS wagon
DTS and STS
Aveo sedan and Cobalt
Impala and Malibu
Come on guys, Focus!
What’s wrong is that the Buicks and Cadillacs all have names with no heritage.
Talk about the same old stupid overlap. These clowns still don’t get it. They need to focus on make a few models really great and stop this carbon copy crap over and over again nonsense. The government should have just let these idiots fail totally, they obviously haven’t figured out why they are in the mess they are in now.
kps-
guess what was the 2nd best selling vehicle in the United States? The Silverado
That must be what’s keeping GM out of financial trouble.
If GM only made trucks, they would be just fine.
The truck business is what GM (and Ford) use to subsidize the cars no one wants to buy, but CAFE makes them build.
Trucks sell much better than cars in the USA, and they are very profitable. It seems some of the B&B have emotional issues with trucks, which is unfortunate.
jaje……….That wasn’t a nice thing to say about Captain Kangaroo.
The current Buick cars are beautifully styled, good build quality, very quiet. They are so good, it is hard to make the case for buying a Cadillac or a Lexus.
“SRX and CTS wagon
DTS and STS
Aveo sedan and Cobalt
Impala and Malibu”
Those products do not resemle one another. SRX going bye bye and being replaced by all new cross over. CTS it’s own animal. Aveo and Cobalt totally different. Impala and Malibu different too.
I am not counting all those models, but it’s still far, far too many and far too many rebadged truck products. I thought Pontiac was dead; and the only Pontiac offered is a Toyota?? Pure GM geniusery.
Nothing GM sells has any appeal to me, and it’s been that way since 1989, when the “Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais Ciera Supreme Delta-88 Holiday Supreme Regency Cruiser Brougham Edition” was a hit seller.
I like the line in Blues Brothers “hey Jake, the new Oldsmobiles are in early this year.”
But enough of the smartass-itude … I and 80% of the market don’t care about GM, except for references in movies.
As for the Impala, it’s not as expensive as an Avalon, is it?
Of course, it’s not as good, either.
From previous learnings here on TTAC, the Impala is hurting GM via the Malibu. The Malibu was a well-received car by the media and if there were more of them on the road, people might be persuaded to believe that GM is capable of producing a world-class car. But by virtue of selling the craptacular Impala for a song, no one buys the Malibu and so the Cercle de Vicieux continues.
Take the hit, ditch the Impala and force people to consider the Malibu instead.
I look at the GM menu and feel somewhat ambivalent about their survival. Not the total waste of limited shelf space like Chrysler FWD cars, but nothing I couldn’t live without either.
Expected the Cruze to start replacing the Cobalt in 2010. Would be good to get the Cruze out before the new Civic. The car lineup is too weak if gas prices spike up again next year.
Looks like too much overlap to me. I have a small preference for GMC front compared to the Chevy horizontal bar and big ass bowtie look, but not sure if more restrained styling justifies keeping BPG sales channel. Would be less expensive to put smaller and more tasteful jewelry on Chevrolets.
What’s wrong with it?
I’ll tell you what’s wrong…
There’s NOTHING here for Ma n Pa Kettle.
And Ma n Pa are what keeps companies profitable.
In all of these cars, there are ONLY 3 cars for average income families….
Other than the high end Caddy’s, specialty Corvette, the trucks and SUV line up…what have we?
2010 LaCrosse: looks to be really great.
No, not YOUR sports sedan…but what families need.
Impala, Malibu: IF the G8 becomes the ImpalaSS, now that is a strong upgrade.
(Equinox…looking good from the test drives on preproduction.
But still an SUV.)
Needs. More. Wagons.
The 2010 lineup can’t really tell you much except what gears were already in motion. The 2010 Camaro is already being made, they’ve sold 19,000 of them in two months, are so far behind in advance orders that they’re running increased shifts at the assembly plant.
The 2011 model year will be the interesting one. By the time the Volt comes out, they’ll already have at least two other models based on the platform in the pipe for 2012-2013, and will most likely have two-mode hybrid versions of just about everything announced by then if not available for the 2011 model year.
The 2010s have already been leaking into the market, but make their serious appearance in October. That means the equipment to make them is already being kitted out to swap into existing lines in late summer.
If they change the front facias for a re-labeling, or the rear bumpers and tail lights, they have to do a whole new run of crash testing for federal certification. Not that a few months would be long enough to build the forms and do all the debugging to get a new car to market with an otherwise old body.
I’m in agreement that the Buick brand should go. Chevy should be the main brand, Caddy the luxury brand, and the only real difference between a Chevy and Buick is the level of interior luxury. Since GM has to rehabilitate its image overall anyway, how much more difficult would it be to sell people on luxury editions of existing Chevy lines like the Malibu and Impala. Throw the rebadged G8 in as a performance luxury sedan (Chevy has a better rep for performance and handling than Buick) and you have everything you need.
That is to say, GM would have to sell Chevy as both a value brand, and a mid end luxury brand like Toyota does. But once that decision was made, it would still take 18 months to get the merged products to market.
GMC is only being kept around to give Buick dealers a fighting chance.
Of all the cars for Pontiac to get left with as a niche brand they end up with the Vibe. Nice.
They could have updated the Solstice and started running the odd G8 down the Camaro line and maybe a Solstice coupe called the Firebird with a V8 jammed into it but no… Vibe.
“We build excitement! er, just rebadged Corolla Wagons actually.”
Is Pontiacs only reason for existing because GM doesn’t have enough money to change the badge on the front a car anymore?
Will Buick-GMC dealers be viable businesses, even with the 2010 LaCrosse?
For the month of May the GM had three of the top ten sellers.Silverado Malibu and Impala.
The Impala is “craptacular”eh?What would you call a 6 year old Nissan Quest with a rusted out rear hatch door?The guy across the street owns one I’ll ask him.How about a 5 year old Honda Odysey or oddball or something like that.Great van if it didn’t eat transmissions.Nice interior though.
I helped a young mom last winter,when her VW left her and her kids stranded at-25C.The lady sat in my heated leather seats,and ripped the VW dealer a new one.I think it might of been a Jedi or maybe a Pissant,whatever she had all kinds of names to describe it.None of them workplace friendly.
The Impala is popular for the same reason Wall Mart is.”bang for your buck”
You can pick up a gently used Impala for peanuts and get years of trouble free driving.Honda and Toyota do make a half decent car but no better than the domestics.
The 5 year 60K mile BB and 10 year 100K mile PT warranty is missing.
eggsalad :
I went to check out the glovebox and the latch broke off in my hand.
/end test drive
Reminds me of the time I checked out the Saab 9-3 at the Toronto Auto Show. I reached for the parking brake and cut my hand on a sharp piece of plastic somewhere on the centre console.
And the 9-3 was off my list just like that.
This is a much smaller GM. I am now convinced this new GM is designed to operate at a 15% marketshare. A 20% marketshare is probably impossible.
@mikey
Amen. GM’s products are fine.
IMHO: The entire industry has way too much capacity. This is the root cause.. All the other problems are symptoms.
UAW benefits aren’t even that outrageous… Another $1500 a car? not a big deal to avoid all those costs on the government, but $1500 might as well be $15,000 when there are way too many manufactures that could build 2-3X the number of vehicles needed in North America.
@ mikey: Please put spaces after your periods! Not to be a grammar Nazi (okay, I’m being one) but it makes your posts hard to read, and I otherwise enjoy reading them. Kthx
IMO:
Chevy
-Spark (much smarter than Smart, would do well)
-Viva (new Aveo; name change is GM’s idea)
-Cruze (1.4 turbo only, none of that crappy 1.8 nonsense)
-Vibe (stopgap until Cruze hatch arrives)
-Malibu (as-is)
-New Impala (G8 rebadge)
-Camaro (add the 2.0 turbo as an even more base-y model)
-Corvette (new interior sometime please)
-Equinox (as-is)
-Traverse (as-is)
-Colorado (redesign would be nice, the current one sucks)
-Silverado (as-is)
-Tahoe/Suburban (as-is)
Cadillac
-BTS (Alpha-chassis 3-Series rival, $28k)
-CTS (as-is, but move it up a bit to give BTS some room)
-New DTS (Zeta-chassis flagship, $50-60k, V8 only)
-SRX (as-is)
-Escalade (if they must)
-XLR would be nice to see again someday, but they don’t really need it right now
As for GM, kill GMC. Since Buick dealers rely on GMC traffic, and merging Buick and Cadillac would be a dumb move, kill Buick as well. Buick can live on in China as bechromed Chevywoos; that’s what they already are over there anyway. G8 needs to become the new Impala ASAP, but I can understand it would be really expensive to keep selling them here or whatever. I guess. Maybe. Vibe can live on as a Chevy, GM knows by now that new grilles don’t cost much.
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!”
1. Kill 75% of what’s there. Nobody will miss those Hertz queens.
2. Let each platform have only one model.
3. Offer all models to all dealers. Why not, they’ll be below 10% total marketshare before ’09 is out anyway.
Not enough “SS” models. No Malibu SS, for example. No Colorado SS, no Tahoe SS. The list goes on. No Aveo SS (especially important with the loss of the “excitement” branded G3). Where is Maximum Bob when you need him?
Not getting into the whole debate…but 2010 Vibe started production in late Feb 2009. Its not like GM sat around and decided to build 2010 MY Vibes since the Pontiac annoucement in late April.
Main thing wrong is that both Chevy Trucks and GMC both still exist. I don’t have a preference for one or the other, but one of them should have been axed.
It seems to me would have been good to keep GMC as a distinct truck brand, and get rid of Chevy Trucks. (But in writing this I guess there is some heritage in a “Chevy Truck”. Nonetheless… there was heritage in “Olds 442” also.)
I knew it. As soon as the Citation X-11 was discontinued, they’d need a gov’t bailout. I was right.
“Only a zombie knows what a zombie does….”
see: Yahoo Answers – Whatayou think about Zombies ?
Why doesn’t GM take this opportunity in Bankruptsy to combine all remaining dealers into “GM” dealers. That way, you could specialize your line up into brands with out competing against yourself.
GMC – Trucks
Cadillac – High end cars (only!)
Corvette – High end Sports Cars
Pontiac – Affordable Sports and Performance Cars (only!)
Chevrolet – Cars (only!)
Buick – SUV, CUV, and Mini Vans (I know, it’s a stretch but really, who needs a “medium” brand really?)
If keeping Pontiac alive, I would go so far as to cancel the Camero and rebadge it as a Firebird or Trans-Am.
GMC could have the Silverado name plate. in 5 years, know one would know it used to be a Chevy. Look at Mitsubishi and the Colt!
GM spent too much time,and too much money on the pre hype for the Camaro. I just can’t see rebadging as a Firebird.
@ sv Thanks for the tip I can always use help. I’m taking some courses in the fall and I,ve already circled keyboarding. And before anybody makes a comment. I’m painfully aware of my need to circle other courses.
What’s wrong?
Vibe: lives,
G8: dead.
WTF?
I would love to know what the new price points are for all these “New GM” models. How much is a new Impala worth? 13K? 17K? 21K?
@commando1..WTF? The Vibe/Matrix actually sells and no doubt turns a profit. The G8,sweet as it is,costs way too much to import from Oz.
@MikeyDee Here in Canada the Impala starts around the low twenties. If you want to take away some of the cop car/taxi look,step up to the LTZ trim.
Loaded out the door,you can do it for about thirty two. Not too shaby,when you consider the taxes here. The Impala is perfectly suited for the Canadian driving experience. A six pasenger car with gas pushing a buck a litre,little wonder the 27 mpg Impala is immensely popular here.
I would like the G8 to live on as the Impala. The current Impala is so bland. They could detune it for the masses. Hot it up for us folks.
I would like the Solstice/sky to remain, reinvented by making it 10% larger so it can accomodate people and luggage better.
Other than rebadging chevys, I dont know what GMC is for.
Thats it.
Start by nixing the following:
Aveo, Cobalt, Impala, Avalanche, and all the full-size truck and SUV hybrids
The Volt is an embarrassment and needs to be reworked. $40K with those looks is not going to cut it.
Trim levels removed to show how ‘lean’ it really is (and HHR is a car people!)
Pontiac: Vibe
Buick: Enclave, LaCrosse, Lucerne
Cadillac: CTS, DTS, Escalade, SRX, STS
Chevrolet Cars: Aveo, Camaro, Cobalt, Corvette, Impala, Malibu, HHR
Chevrolet Trucks: Avalanche, Colorado, Equinox, Express, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe, Traverse
GMC: Acadia, Canyon, Savana, Sierra, Terrain, Yukon
HHR is a car people
Technically, it’s an SUV.
Bring back the Monte Carlo!
Way too many trucks. And way too many of the same trucks: i.e. GMC/Chevy.
Pontiac dies and Buick lives.
Caddy giving up names, using three-letters instead.
I agree with many that have commented that GM should be only Cadillac & Chevrolet, in a Honda & Acura sort of way. Or else Caddy, Chevy, and GMC, where there would be no Chevy trucks, only GMC trucks. Actually that’s a good idea: no Chevy trucks. Let Chevy concentrate on cars and come up with a world-class Accord/Civic, Camry/Corolla type duo.
GM needs to embrace “less is more”, and let economy of scale save them bottom line bucks. Seems perfectly obvious to everyone. All the Obama admin. had to do is say: “no more badge engineering if you want tax payer money” and they’d prove themselves smarter than most GM marketers and CEOs. Pick two maybe three brands and run with it. Killing off Pontiac is not enough. Nor is selling Hummer & Saturn.
Pop quiz: which GM car competes directly with the Accord? Didn’t answer in two seconds? That’s one of GM’s big problems.