By on January 20, 2010

all my children

With all the now-distant brouhaha over the VW – Porsche tie up, it’s easy to forget that they started out as kissing cousins siblings, in more ways than one.

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8 Comments on “All In The Family Snapshot...”


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    Hence the neverending joy of calling any rear-engined P-car “a beetle”… especially in the presence of pretentious Porschephiles. The old porcupine joke is only funny because it is so true.

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    no_slushbox

    It’s not too easy to forget: http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/images/misc/ib38-17.jpg

    It of course all goes back to the original all in the family snapshots.

    (hint for readers not familiar with the history: the guy with the larger moustache is Ferdinand Porsche, he designed the VW Beetle for the guy with the Charlie Chaplin moustache, hardly their only picture together, and later started Porsche)

    But yeah, for non-enthusiasts nothing could be more different, and still be German, than a Porsche and a VW. Despite the Toureg/Cayenne, and shared engines and designs that go back to Porsche’s founding.

    Speaking of – I would love a clean 914 if I had room.

    • 0 avatar
      BuzzDog

      Speaking of – I would love a clean 914 if I had room.

      Same here; many former Porsche owners find the idea of affordable, easily serviced VW mechanicals to be an attractive proposition. But like you, I don’t have room in the garage…and with taxes coming due soon, currently no room in the budget.

      I didn’t realize until relatively recently that 914s were branded as VW/Porsches outside of North America, and that the original plan was to market the four cylinder version as VWs and the six cylinder version as Porsches.

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    OldandSlow

    The similarities really become apparent when you strip off the body work of the old Type 1 and Porsche 956.
     
    The Type 1 Sedan/Beetle would have been still-born had it not been for the financial largess  of the ultra nationalist German dictator.  Ferdinand Porsche sold his soul in deal.  The VW Beetle was what it was because Hitler wanted a “People’s Car” that would sell for under a $1,000 Deutsche Reich Marks, about $500 – $600 in 1939 US dollars.

    The military Type 181 Kubelwagen was the main vehicle produced, which became in someways the engine and drive train platform the postwar Type 2 VW Bus.
     

    After the war VW should have been a still-born project once again, but the British occupation authorities wanted a jobs program for the returning German veterans.
     
    Keep in mind that the Wolfsburg factory was heavily damaged by Allied air raids and now within long range artillery of the Soviet forces parked close by.
     
    The VW Type 1 at the time had a 25 hp engine at the time,  which soon became 30 hp in standard Wolfsberg livery.  The team under Ferry Porsche did a remarkable job of transforming the Beetle into something resembling sportiness.  I believe that Ferry’s father was rotting away at the time in a French prison, along with his close associate Antwon Piech.
     
    My favorite Porsche was the 4 cylinder 912.   It’s way underpowered by Jeremy Clarkson’s standards, but it wasn’t a tail dragger like the 911.  Therefor eit was better behaved.

    • 0 avatar
      BuzzDog

      After the war VW should have been a still-born project once again, but the British occupation authorities wanted a jobs program for the returning German veterans.

      Interestingly, during the 1980s a number of automotive scribes theorized that the German and Japanese auto industries got a “leg up” on advanced engineering because their best and brightest returning veterans/engineers were deployed to the automotive industry. In the Allied countries these same individuals worked on military projects.

      Not saying I totally agree with that theory,  but it was an intersting observation.

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    CyCarConsulting

    How will the Porsche snobs feel now, not knowing if there are Beetle parts in their new cars. Chrysler never helped Mercedes. In the past I’ve always told Boxster owners,  I like your new Karmann Ghia.

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    friedclams

    I learned to drive on the exact equivalent to the car on the right, right down to the textile sunroof. Looks like a 1960-61. If the Porsche is anywhere near as high-quality as that Beetle was, it might be a good ride.  :-)

  • avatar
    Robert Schwartz

    Let us not forget the siblings Czech mother, the Tatra T97.

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