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The side-panel die for the sixth-gen Chevrolet Camaro was revealed via a leak Tuesday, providing the best view thus far of the car’s evolving style.
Appearing on Camaro6.com, the die has the roofline entering a more tapered angle than on the current model, with the rear quarter window gaining more distance between itself and the fender line. The greenhouse remains cozy with the doorline, as well.
Meanwhile, AutoGuide says General Motors hasn’t set a date for when the new Camaro will debut, with speculation pointing toward the 2015 New York Auto Show now that Detroit and Chicago have come and gone without an appearance.
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General Motors is a very bizarre, inexplicable organization.
They actually think that this is still the 1960s, that they’re some sort of juggernaut, that this is the golden age af the automobile, that people await with nervous excitement all get all “a tizzy” over their newest vehicles (the few besides the dozen or so who hang out on gminside news forums).
Silly GM.
Considering how successful the fifth gen Camaro has been and the buzz it still creates, I’d say that more than just a handful of Internet forum users are curious about the new one.
“Find New Roads.”
#DareGreatly
While the general population would rather wait outside and Apple store in January for some vacuous gadget versus waiting outside an Oldsmobile dealership in September to see the newest Ninety-Eight, there are still a large number of non-internet-car-nerds who are interested in cars like the Camaro, Mustang, etc.
In an era where GM has 17% market share versus 56%, and where there are approx 175 vehicles that are of higher quality, perform better & less costly on a performance per $ basis (or otherwise), such people are either on the fringe and/or GM employees.
“…and where there are approx 175 vehicles that are of higher quality, perform better & less costly on a performance per $ basis…”
Like travelers of yore, when I see a troll, I wait till it’s vacated the area or at the very least seemingly in a sound sleep before venturing onto a bridge.
I know better, yet I find myself actually going under the bridge with a rather large bag of bait.
Please name the 175 vehicles. But you did say approximately, so can you name seventy?
“Please name the 175 vehicles”
Simple, all of them that aren’t GM ;-)
NEVER go under that bridge, EVER
Not much difference, in reality:
https://rwshiftinggears.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/13-chevrolet-camaro-ss-interior.jpg
http://ep.yimg.com/ay/trendtimes/pink-ride-on-camaro-remote-control-car-for-kids-w-mp3-port-29.gif
Only GM, in nearly a 50 year span, could turn a legend into a cartoon caricature of its former, glorious essence:
http://image.superchevy.com/f/29239449+w640+h426+q80+re0+cr1+ar0+st0/camp-0909-01+1968-chevy-camaro+wheels.jpg
http://2016camaro.com/1968-chevrolet-camaro-interior-custom-2-door/
The 5g Camaro has been the best selling car in it’s segment for a good part of it’s run. Hardly fringe.
What a hoot. It’s still a sit thine behind in this coal scuttle, friend, and make brmmm, brmmm noises, while swivelling your neck to read the side window safety glass maker’s name conveniently located at eye level for your viewing enjoyment, along with an F&I guy’s wobbly VIN etching that cost $599 plus tax.
@Deadweight:
“Only GM, in nearly a 50 year span, could turn a legend into a cartoon caricature of its former, glorious essence:”
HP did it in something like 2 (note while it is easy to blame Carly Fiorina, the board that hired her has yet to fill the CEO position with anyone workable).
GM
HP
Xerox
Enron
Kodak
DeadWeight, I’m curious if the next Camaro will be a worthy, less porky, home for a LS V8. That engine family alone makes the Camaro somewhat interesting. If moving the Camaro to the Alpha platform cuts weight significantly, it will put pressure on Ford and Dodge to do the same. A trend toward lighter weight pony cars would be newsworthy.
@Flybrian: And perhaps not ironically, most iDevices are worn out or nearly obsolete in two to three years, or at least made to be perceived as such. Not unlike the way cars were when new model introductions in the fall were all the rage.
It’s a sad, sad world. I pity the general population.
New Oldsmobiles are in early this year!
Can’t wait to see and drive the new “442”.
who are you? To go on and on and on about the same things no matter what, you must be someone scorned, or butt hurt or something. Are you sure you’re not a Niedermeyer?
Only GM fanboys can be as delusional as you.
Seriously.
GM is as pathetic a company as has ever existed, with a full prepackaged, taxpayer financed BK to show for it.
GM, pissing away over 1/2 of N.A. market share to under 15%, % by %, year after year, loss after loss, Roger Smith after Rick Wagoner, sh!thole vehicle after sh!thole vehicle, for 45 farking consecutive years; a perfect example of corporate & executive incompetence in every single facet, in every way imaginable, from handling labor contracts, to designing components, to planning products, to whiffing on quality.
GM, the literal, textbook example of complete, total, utter incompetence in every possible way imaginable, conceivable – at a prior unknown level (as in unimaginable).
And yet you GM defenders still squawk loudly and protest everything.
I’m not protesting anything except you. You seem to have lost a marble somewhere and are becoming completely non-sequitur in 99% of your comments. Most of the time you can’t even back up your BS with anything except emotion. We’ve also been over this, I’m hardly a “GM fanboy”. I just fail to see why you even bother commenting anymore since you have less than shit to add.
…and this time, it’s personal…
This is what I hear in my head everytime I see DeadWeight posting in a GM/Cadillac post.
Things change. That’s why there is, for the first time, a new GM car in my garage. And for a company that churns out “junk”, go check out the list of vehicles that were listed as good chances for 200K miles….note how many GM trucks are on the list there…http://www.businessinsider.com/cars-most-likely-to-get-to-200000-miles-2014-10
Wow you’ve got some serious GM hate don’t you? I don’t consider myself a potential Mustang or Camaro owner (though I admit I did own a Cobra in the past), but I think your dislike of GM is clouding your vision. Maybe it’s just here in Texas, but the Camaro seems like it’s pretty popular here. And it is based off the Alpha platform, which isn’t exactly shoddy. I’d say this one is definitely newsworthy. I can’t wait for the Pony Car comparisons.
Oh boy! I’m hoping it has a chrome sharktooth grill like the’ 57 Vette!
Official: the 2016 Camaro will have a door opening
… and by the looks of that stamping you still won’t be able to see out of it
I think you’ll be able to see quite well out of that opening, at least until a door covers it…
Follow an imaginary line from the “A” pillar back to the rear side window and you can tell that door window sill will come up to your chin
“… and by the looks of that stamping you still won’t be able to see out of it”
-Since it’s just the stamping we see, the actual sheet metal be larger.
:p
And a teeny, tiny quarter window.
Portholes/Opera windows, on the way back?
Hmm, how is the vinyl top going to end with that quarter? Looks like it will need to be a halo vinyl top.
But how are you supposed to get a Taco Bell Taco Duo 12 pack through that window? ;-)
It appears that the next Camaro will retain a feature I don’t particularly like about the current model: The greenhouse appears much narrower than the lower body.
It’s just my opinion, of course, but I can’t help but look at it and think how much weight could be saved if all of that metal weren’t jutting out at the sides – not to mention how much easier it would be to drive and park. Plus, the overall effect is not unlike looking at a shrunken head on an otherwise normally sized human body.
Obviously it’s because of the size of the Zeta platform. I suppose that a slightly too-wide Camaro is better than no Camaro at all; otherwise, it’s not a bad car (and this is coming from a three-time and current Mustang owner, which has flaws of its own, but I’m thankful we once again have competing products among the manufacturers)…
+1
I hate the “bunker” styling of the Camaro. The low roof plus high beltline leads to horrible visibility. I realize that some of the design elements are mandated by newer side crash standards. Yet I still yearn for windows big enough to look out of and a sill low enough to rest my left elbow when the glass is down. This is probably why CUVs are bought by many….we want to see where we’re going.
The next gen Camaro is reported to be on the ATS platform, not Zeta
That’s soooo GM.
The “bespoke,” “premium,” “sports-luxury” Cadillac ATS & CTS, as well as the Joe Dirt Camaro, will all not only share the Alpha platform, but be built side-by-side, in Lansing, Michigan.
what exactly is the problem with that?
exactly. What is wrong with that? Not a damn thing. And it is not just a GM thing.
@caltemus: Zeta or Alpha platform, the narrow greenhouse on a wide body still looks awkward to me from some angles.
That could very well be a 1 to 2 million dollar die, maybe more. I’ve seen stamping dies for electrical safety switch enclosures that were half a million dollars and much smaller, and that was 10 years ago. It gives you an inkling of insight into what it takes to mass produce a car. And that’s only the left side of the car…
I used to work for a company that did stamping of very precise metal parts. We would make one piece or assembly for a transmission, which we sold to the trans manufacturer, which they put into the transmission to be sold to the big 3. Given how much money was spent on this one little part, I can understand why 1) Cars cost so much and B) they try to use the same part on as many cars as possible.
I can remember when GM installed new stamping presses at the plant here in Indiana. They were German mfgd, came up the Mississippi and Ohio on barges, and moved up I65. They closed the interstate one evening so these jumbo presses could be transported north from the Ohio River.
I remember when the Chevy-Parma stamping plant, no CPC-Parma, no GM-Parma, whatever they are calling it this week, received their new German presses via the Port of Cleveland. Impressive.
Some complaints were voices about “not buying American-made presses” except there were none to be purchased at any price.
The road it is located on is stall called Chevrolet Blvd. and it will always be “Chevy-Parma” to me. Where a drunk worker tried to toss my father into a stamping press when dad went to pull him off the line.
mmmmm. I love tooling.
This is porn to me.
S7 was my drug of choice.
Call me old fashioned, but I like S-2
@tresmonos…good to see you weigh in..Right, so you and I both know that die is one of a 6 die set? I’m pretty sure its not a draw die. perhaps a “trim steel”
I spent a very short time in the “blank receiving” world. I do know that the blanks for a body side come in on a Super A pallet. Too much weight for the blank dock crane. We had to bring in a “Big Bertha lift truck to move it.
Anybody that thinks, driving, and operating “Big Bertha” is unskilled labour. Well I’ve seen more than one seasoned driver, walk away from that job.
There have been 4 deaths @ Sterling Heights Stamping (makes Chrysler 200) in the last 6 years or so.
I remember when Daimler still owned Chrysler, and I watched the massive presses being shipped, traffic halted, into the facility. They literally had 3 or 4 (couldn’t’ tell) giant flatbed trucks, riding abreast, hauling INDIVIDUAL PIECES of those presses.
I spent most of my time at the Stamping plant on the docks. Walking past those gigantic machines, was close enough for me.
Looking up and seeing a 50,000 lb die hanging 30 feet from the floor on four Kevlar slings, is truly “awe inspiring”
From 50 yards away !
Some of the most interesting years I have had in manufacturing were at a magnesium die cast plant. Tool change over and process dial in were some of the most rigorous, chaotic and synchronized moments of my life. It was the equivalent to somebody rapidly shouting Charles Bukowski poems at you, but with a gun to the back of your head.
That plant is also where I got the pleasure of smelling burned human flesh for the first time in my life.
DW, what I really want to know is, are you as handsome as your avatar would suggest?
Actually in real life DW looks just like tresmonos
judging by the sharp edges, this is definitely a trim steel die. Drawing would have smoother, rounded surfaces with less punch holes.
The labor required at my facility versus a stamping plant is night and day difference. There is a reason why my plant tops out at 18/hour. The only complaints I’ve ever had about skilled OEM assets are some of the Final personnel. Now that I’m supplier side quality (soon to be back to OEM), I realize how much murder I can get away with that the line side assembly personnel should catch. Hopefully I can bring some of my knowledge set back and reinforce better line side quality and hold suppliers accountable.
Judging by this photo the new Camaro still has the miniscule rear quarter window and apparently the vehicle’s greenhouse will be even smaller than the current model which I consider it’s worst feature. I’m certainly not losing any sleep waiting for the next generation model to appear.
Yeah, this seems to confirm my biggest fear. Mechanically this thing should be a beast. Alpha/LT1/8 speed auto (7 speed manual?). But my biggest problems with the old version weren’t the engine or tranny. It was the interior and visibility that ruined the car for me. Hopefully they do a good job on the former, but it looks like the actually managed to make the latter worse. I understand not messing too much with the success of the current design, but I had hoped they’d they’d do something to help you see out of your land rocket.
I remember going into the “pilot area” for some sort of presentation. Buick maybe. The shift manager said: “let me make this perfectly clear. If you so much as take your phone out of your pocket, hourly or salary you will serve a weeks suspension.” He went on to say : “if you are on contract, consider your contract terminated”
Most of us hourly guys in that room were fairly senior. More than one guy said: “what ! you can take pictures with a phone ? Who knew ?
We had a pre production 2013 F150 get photographed by a Penskie semi truck driver out behind Dearborn Truck. We literally had someone in marketing tell us to take the non camoflauged truck back inside, it hit the internet that fast. I bet the truck driver was still pulled up to the receiving dock when we took the vehicle indoors to camo it.
Anybody else here old enough to remember when the new cars were shipped with car covers, and stored undercover in the showroom until “opening day” in September?
Of course back then you had new sheet metal every year…those were the days.
@ indi500fan…..I remember being 10 years old waiting for the 63 Pontiac to be unveiled.
I use to ride my bike to all the local dealers and sneak around to the back lots to get a peak at the new models a week before they official were unveiled. I was such a spy
@indi500fan: I remember the GM Lakewood plant in Atlanta putting a cloth lining inside the fence to hide the 1965 models, People wpould line the sidewalk and poke holes just to get a view! Exciting times..never to return! :-)
That still happens. Oakville Assembly plant had 50 2011 Edge’s hanging out in front of the plant (still in the yard) before a marketing reveal. Spy photographers got a hold of that moment IIRC.
“The greenhouse remains cozy with the doorline, as well.”
LIONEL HUTZ: The right house is the house that’s for sale. The right person is anyone.
MARGE: But all I did was tell the truth.
LIONEL HUTZ: Of course you did.
LIONEL HUTZ: But there’s the truth, and the truth! – Let me show you.
MARGE: It’s awfully small.
LIONEL HUTZ: I’d say it’s awfully, cozy.
MARGE: That’s dilapidated.
LIONEL HUTZ: Rustic.
MARGE: That house is on fire.
LIONEL HUTZ: Motivated seller.
I wonder how this is going to work out. Mustang made a good break away from its retro inspired predecessor but GM just seems to be chasing what worked.
That might be alright for the mechanicals (even though GM is doing the opposite in this case) but wouldn’t a 6th Gen Camaro aping the 1st Gen car be a little long in the tooth and by the uninitiated seem more like a refresh than a new model?
Yeah, but they went through a couple of refreshes of that style before the Chevy returned. I don’t there will be any issue with the styling of the Camaro or the Mustang.
GM, just build this and you’ll be fine –
http://www.picturescar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/1972-camaro-6.jpg
There’s some retro I could handle.
Side windows are far too enormous for your own good. Why would you want to see out of something with over 400hp?
We can only wish. Seriously. I would buy one in a second if it looked like a Gen 2. The pic of the die doesn’t make me hopeful at all, it looks like the new Camaro will be as ugly as the present one.
From this vantage point, looks like an early ’70s Duster to me. I also get hints of Ford Maverick, early 70’s Mustang coupe, as well as the Mustang II. But mainly Duster.
Was hoping for a svelt, lightweight Camaro one could see out of. Hopes dashed :-/
Wide, heavy, and poor vision. Just like its buyers.
Lame
The “hunkered down” driving position is alive and well, folks!
I’m more amazed that we aren’t even looking at a telephoto lens of a covered up test car.
What next, a direct leak from the computers of the stylists, showing the 2019 line ?
The days when they could embargo cars until they were delivered to the retailer, and only unveiled to the “right customers” over drinks and light snacks, is long, long gone…..
It looks too much like the existing Camaro from this angle…you’d have to put the two side by side for me to even see the difference.
It looks too much like the existing Camaro from this angle…you’d have to put the two s1de by s1de for me to even see the difference.
I dont know why this pic frightens me so much. It must have been all the horror films when I was a kid. It looks like a giant mouth…ugh.
If the Camero is reliant on German presses for its production then it is not really an American car. You don’t see either German or Japanese cars produced using American machines tools or presses. America is increasingly becoming a nation that creates and produces nothing. Henry Ford would cry if he saw what has become of the once mighty US auto industry. Why do American cars today always have to be associated with ridicule and embarrassment.
Detroit was actually in better shape in the seventies. At least then the cars were really American, and there was still excellent marketshare to back it up. With only a 17% marketshare today GM is rapidly fading into irrelevance, and will mostly likely fall behind either Ford or Toyota in the near future.
GM hates this country so let them fail.
New Mustang is out there .. Ford didn’t go full ‘global-product’ (maybe except ‘european-ized’ design ; and ‘european-ized’ turbo-4-banger..), so they didn’t fuc..ed-up all the way ..
.. GM is always second, waiting what Ford’s ‘creative brains’ bring to the table .. , and because the Mustang guys were rather lazy(which is paradoxaly good in this case: they didn’t play too much ‘fake’ let’s be cool, modern & progressive) and only ‘refreshed’ new Mustang..,
we should hope that Chevy guys would do the same …
They could shrink Camaro a little bit, because current car is too heavy , and’ modernise’ design(but preserve it’s ‘muscular-ness’..) and that’s it ! ..
We would rather not see new Camaro ‘Nissan-ized’ or ‘BMW-nized’ .. there’s plenty of them out there ..
Let ‘unique’ American-Pony Muscle be itself ..
(and it will sell [even abroad] because of it’s oryginal character..)