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One of this year’s most anticipated reveals, the new Alfa Romeo Giulia, has been leaked on the interwebs a day ahead of schedule.
Here’s another angle of Alfa’s new midsize sedan said to be powered by a Maserati-derived V6.
We will have full details on the car tomorrow.
[Source: CarScoops]
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If the rumored power levels of the turbo V6 prove to be true, much want.
Since when do you like turbo V6s? I thought you’d be demanding a hemi or LSX FTW.
I like power. Since it’s unlikely they’ll cram a V8 in it, I’ll take what I can get.
I’m sure it’s pushing 400 HP, so I’ll take it too.
I heard 5 bills, but you never know til it’s out there.
5 bills from a 3.0TT mill?
I guess Ford is pushing to the moon with the new TTV6s too. I drove a 2.7TT F150, and I think it’s underrated HP wise.
It’s very odd that FCA hasn’t offered a Turbocharged Pentastar V6 yet.
They probably don’t want it competing with the HEMI – or perhaps they don’t feel they need it when the HEMI sells so well…but after driving the Maserati Ghibli, I’m really surprised Chrysler hasn’t turboed the Pentastar and added AWD.
I thought the Ghibli engine was supercharged.
The Ghibli has twin-turbo sixes with “silkiness of the eight-speed transmission” according to the insert that came with my recent issue of Autoweek. You should see this insert, it’s 36 pages, which was more than half as many as the magazine it came bundled with. I felt guilty tossing it in the recycling bin, because that Alfieri two-seater out-Jags Jaguar.
My regrets, I see what you meant.
There have been reports that this is already underway.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20141208/OEM06/312089962/chrysler-pentastar-v-6s-to-get-turbos-and-direct-injection-sources
They could kill off the 5.7, retune the 6.4 to a bit over 500hp, with the Hellcat motor obviously remaining at the top end.
“It’s very odd that FCA hasn’t offered a Turbocharged Pentastar V6 yet.”
Maybe not yet under a Mopar bonnet.
If you buy one, you could change your screen name to Guilia Louis Drivefast.
Deal.
LOL
“powered by a Maserati-derived V6.”
Maserati derived V6 cast in Kokomo and built in Trenton.
Pentastar with Ferrari sauce.
There should be more exotic engines based on mundane ones. I’m all for boring 4s and 6s done up as high revving sports monsters.
I do not have a problem with it at all.
Wait, wasn’t there a Maserati/Chrysler already ? I seem to recall….
Yeah, but then Chrysler introduced the LeBaron convertable, which looked like 9/10ths of a TC at a bargain basement price. They sold lots of LeBaron verts, but anybody considering a TC probably moved on to something that wouldnt be mistaken by 9 out of 10 people for a former Hawaiian rental car purchased by some old lady whos minivan’s trans crapped out for the third time as she decided to treat herself to something fun (that she’ll never, EVER put the top down on) while waiting for more bad news from the service advisor.
Shh no TC. TC no here.
“The central and first piece of Alfa’s U.S. relaunch will be the new Giulia sedan shown above. (A wagon will be sold elsewhere, but won’t make it here.) Based on the Compact U.S. Wide (CUSW) platform—a stretched version of the architecture used for Alfa’s Giulietta compact—that underpins the new Dodge Dart, the new Giulia will take aim at the Audi A4 when it arrives in 2014. In an effort to minimize cost, the first new Alfa to be offered in this country for nearly two decades will be built here, too.
The new Giulia’s CUSW bones also sit under the Fiat Viaggio, the Italian marque’s reworked Dart for the Chinese market. In selling two vehicles with volume aspirations in the U.S. and China under Italian nameplates, Marchionne is hopeful that this is the first step toward making Fiat as a whole a truly global player.
The Giulia will share components with the next-generation Chrysler 200 and will offer the Pentastar V-6 engine.”
Yes!
A 55k Dodge Dart-Chrysler 200 based sedan!
Economy car chassis & nosebleed Italian pricing (but at least the Pentastar V6 that’s also found in the entire FCA lineup has proven worthy, so there’s that).
Not sure where you got this, but this car isn’t at all based on CUSW.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/alfa-romeos-product-plan-for-the-us-for-now-anyway-news
Note the timestamp: 2012.
Apparently the decision was made to have all new Alfas be RWD and built in Italy. Hence the long delay in releasing new models.
Not sure why they insist on rear wheel drive, some of the best Alfas drove their front axles.
Lmao, that article will be 3 years old soon. And C&D’s “scoops” are generally regarded and almost always turn out to be BS. No, you are not going to Alpha platform this one.
But C&D has Tony Swan on staff, that tan leather driving glove (with fingers cut off) wearing expert sports car reviewer.
What gives?
Isn’t CUSW able to have RWD? I thought it is like the Ford D6 platform where FWD/AWD/RWD are al possible.
Not particularly with it’s transverse powertrain, FWD/AWD. The Giulia shares nothing with CUSW, powertrain is longitudinal RWD/AWD.
Ok, thanks. My knowledge of FCA platforms is lacking.
So its a Chrysler 200? Why is this a thing again?
Here’s the TTAC joke of the day (JOTD):
I start a joint Alfa-Cadillac dealer, and show prospective “premium” customers a Cadillac ATS & Alfa Giulia Sedan within the same hour…
I smell a nice late model or CPO buy brewing (assuming you want an Italian built ride with Chrysler ingredients).
If they’re charging 50k+ for this Dart-200 paisano, Hellcat it & give it magneto-reactive shocks ala Ferrari.
Boom!
I imagine that would actually save resale.
Economy car chassis and nosebleed pricing? Funny how no one ever really seems to take that issue with the Audi S3 that shares it’s bones with an $18k VW Golf.
And, considering there are already rumours that this is RWD, and not Dart-related, would it kill you to save the snark until you have something, anything more legitimate to go on than some Zapruder Film-quality pictures to justify your hardcore truthiness?
Very Lexus IS at first glance
Hard to tell from these grab-shots. I thought the side profile was 2008 Infiniti meets current 3 or 4 series Beemer.
The tail lights seem very Kia, IMO.
Looks alot like a G37. I also do not enjoy this trend of making the front doors 3/5s of the overall door size, it looks clumsy. If your overall platform is too small to begin with, and you purposely make the front doors bigger because you don’t expect the rear doors to be used much, than maybe everything shouldn’t be a sedan; especially a rich man’s Chrysler Italian cousin.
http://static.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/images/Auto/izmo/355674/2013_infiniti_g37_sedan_angularrear.jpg
It’s resemblance to the Dart/200 saddens me. I don’t think this legacy brand is going to catch on like the MINI. It’s Ronzoni noodles being priced like Barilla pasta. After seeing this, I definitely agree that FCA needs a partner.
Oh well.
I would be surprised if this isn’t a giant commercial failure that sinks Alfa for good.
However, I also bet this will be a fun car and there will likely be sweetheart lease offers on the new side and obscene depreciation on the used side.
I think FCA should leave all that FIAT nonsense over there for them Eyetalians.
They’re screwed. Even the 1990’s Alfas look better than this travesty.
1990’s Alfas were Pininfarina and Giugiaro designs, of course they look better than this thing designed by accountants.
The 166 was a bit…unfortunate until they redesigned it though.
Oh I agree, it had derpy beak.
http://www.otopicture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Alfa-Romeo-166-Wallpaper.jpg
There we see the inspiration for the awful wheel design on the Giulia above.
If I held positions in FCA right now, I’d sell them immediately after seeing this thing. I was expecting something exciting and when I click on the link, I’m wondering if this is an Acura ILX.
Alfa either had to bet it all on style or performance. It would have been better and cheaper to put an Alfa body on a Hellcat.
The reason Alfa managed to stay alive so long is because their cars were as reliable as a hooker on meth but drove and looked like nothing else. Now, I can have Acura looks with Alfa reliability in the 2016 Arna. Ick.
Wow. That thing looks sharp as a tack….
Please be RWD… Please be RWD… Please be RWD… Please be RWD… Please be RWD…
The car in the picture has all the proportions of a RWD car. See the axle to dash distance in the side picture.
I hope the front looks more Alfa-y, since these shots resemble more Nuovo-Chrysler-200 than anything Italian.
It’s an attractive looking Dodge Dart.
It isn’t clone of Dart, but you can clearly see the DNA – and it isn’t far enough away to be a good thing. Feeling like this is what the Dart should have looked like in the first place.
Effing Sergio.
Here I was thinking he could prove everyone wrong and commission a ridiculously sexy, fast and appealing Alfa sedan that would save the company.
Instead, we get something that looks like a cross between a Dart, an ILX and a Mitsubishi Lancer.
I bet Mary Barra is on this page right now saying “See, I told you, I told you!”
looks a lot better than current CTS/ATS.
i.e. will sell well. worldwide
I don’t know how much I like the suspiciously short distance from the front wheel arch to the door seam. Looks a little FWD’d up.
it looked long enough to be rwd, IMO
Thats because it is RWD. Pay no attention to the wannabe auto critics calling it a rebadged Dart.
Baby got back!
That car looks awfully small to compete against the current 3-series, C-class, and upcoming A4. It looks more ATS sized, with the attendant small back seat.
I still don’t understand blowing all this money to develop sedans for a nearly dead brand. If they wanted to recast Alfa as a brand of performance crossovers, they probably would’ve pissed off a bunch of enthusiasts and some journos, but at least it would’ve been a viable business plan. This is basically just an Italian version of Cadillac’s missteps of the last decade. The biggest difference is that it’s being carried out even later into the CUV craze and thus it is even more poorly thought out.
Not sure about the “world” market but I predict this is an overpriced bust in N. America. The local Fiat dealer moved from their leased shopping mall slot to a former used car store in anticipation of Alfa. I doubt he’ll get much ROI that deal.
Like the profile but the rear is too soft, a lot like the new C-Class.
But I don’t understand why I’d buy this rather than an ATS, let alone said C-Class. It won’t have reliability. It doesn’t look like it’ll have any magic Alfa sauce, at least in the volume versions. It’ll be just as expensive.
Let Dodge sell a version with a FCA-Fisher-Price interior and a $27k price, and we’ll talk.
Color me indifferent, this looks like nearly every other mid-sized BMW-inspired sedan. Only difference is you’ll have to deal with Alfa build quality.
After seeing a brand new Dart broken down on the highway I really, REALLY hope this wont just be a fancy Dart.
Yeah, this is just an Italian version of the Caddy ATS. Another BMW clone that no one will buy without the roundel.
Maybe this infatuation with Alfa is just an idiosyncratic flaw in Sergio the same way Akio is convinced that Avalons needed butching up. I’m sure there’s a little crank in every otherwise successful CEO.
Looks promising. It might even have some head room in the back.
Pricing will be interesting. If some of the comments here guessing at $50k + are correct, that’s unfortunate.
GM would have a better shot resurrecting Oldsmobile with an all-Diesel lineup than FCA does at seeing Alfa-Romeo post reasonable figures.
Anyone silly enough to throw away good money at an Alfa – except the federal government and Sergio, of course – already has a Graduate or GTV6 under a fitted but weathered car cover held down by old Griot catalogs staining the concrete under their carport.
I hope these truly carry forth the spirit of wonderment that came with every past classic Alfas the wonderment of “can I make it to 7-Eleven and home again without throwing a rod?”
Fiat and Alfa bashing never gets old. Seriously.
How ’bout them Hondas!
I could bash Toyondas all day long, do we start at the cheap brakes? Mediocre styling? Atrocious drivers? Tasteless mods? Insane fanbase?
If it runs with an M3, costs meaningfully less, had a suitably Italian interior and Alpha-esque road manners and sound they’ll sell quite a few. BMW had abandoned road feel and joy for more “tangible” benefits like economy in an expensive car; they’ve left a lot of room for this car to slice away sales. I hope it works.
Agreed. I see no problem with another entry into this segment, and a unique one at that. Hopefully its a true drivers car and not just something you upgrade from a Camry with (with similar mind-numbing qualities).
Though I have 0 hope of being able to afford one anytime soon, I wish them the best with it.
As someone who has been waiting for the imminent revival of Alfa for 25 years, I’m really over it. At this point all I see in this car is what could have been for product for Chrysler and Dodge.
It looks like a G37 from a few years ago, like 2010. The wheels are awful (low profile take on those 156 wheels from years ago). And it will undoubtedly be filled with Chrysler parts and engines, and yet cost more than an equivalent BMW because Italy.
But according to Sergio they’ll sell 150,000 a year. Right.
At least you can get a Dart loaner while your Guilia is in for repair.
I should say here that I -like- real Alfas, but this isn’t one of them. Nor is Alfa meant to be a mass-market world brand like they’re trying to do.
Everything has to be mass market junk, where have you been?
I suppose you’re right. But in order to justify the inevitably high price here, it needs something special besides an Alfa badge. The mass market has created -lots- of options these days.
And in the US in particular, I feel the badge holds little weight, other than a heavy pull towards unreliability memories for those older people.
“The mass market has created -lots- of options these days.”
Which are all essentially sucky copies of each other.
“And in the US in particular, I feel the badge holds little weigh”
Why is BMW getting ready to sell what amounts to a German iteration of a Civic hatch? Unfortunately the badge matters, which is evident on this Alfa. FCA seems to believe they can sell Chryslers for BMW/Daimler/Audi prices because of the Alfa badge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_2_Series_(F45)
You are my Abilify cloud today!
But my argument RE: Badge was that it won’t work in this example. The Alfa badge in particular doesn’t have enough pull.
Depends on the marketing. I have to admit the latest Fiat 500 sedan truck thing commercial was quite clever. Maserati has done well for what it is, despite its last foray in the states being the disaster Biturbo and being associated with Chrysler’s Lebaron.
“The 100-year-old Fiat-owned maker of Italian sports car is offering a combination of new and redesigned sedans, opening dealers and spending more on advertising.
We’re not talking about threatening BMW or Mercedes-Benz, but Maserati has sold more than 9,100 cars so this year, quadrupling its year-earlier volume. Maserati’s global sales also nearly quadrupled during the first half of the year to 17,500.
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne has set even more ambitious targets for Maserati — a fivefold increase in global sales to 75,000 by 2018”
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2014/10/04/maserati-fiat-chrysler-marchionne-dealers-sales/16689307/
You liked the boner pills commercial? I found that really gauche.
I thought it worked well, no more gauche than the decade earlier “That thing got a Hemi in it”.
Oh dear, you are the target FCA customer! How do you feel about that?
#abilify
Well we are probably both in the targeted age demographic but I imagine not in the targeted gender demographic (although everyone keeps saying cars are targeted at youth in order to be sold to older people so there’s that).
I always saw Alfas as a man’s car, not something women were really into. You’ve gotta get your hands dirty fixing it, and such.
I’d not have the kind of coin for a new Alfa purchase. Though maybe they’ll have aggressive lease pricing.
You’ll be able to pick one up CPO I imagine on the cheap. I suspect the market will see right through what is essentially a reshaped Chrysler 200.
Fun fact: Did you know the Chrysler TC by Maserati was supposed to debut before the Chrysler Lebaron? The idea was it would debut first and then the following Lebaron would have the “Maserati look” on the cheap and thus would help move volume. However it was two years late so the Lebaron coupe was sold first for MY87, thus the Maserati had the “Lebaron look” in the public’s eye. History repeats itself with the 200 and Giula.
“Chrysler’s TC by Maserati was a “Q” body based on a modified second generation Chrysler K platform jointly developed by Chrysler and Maserati as a grand tourer and introduced at the 1986 Los Angeles Auto Show. After 2 years of development delays, the TC became available in late-1989 and 7,300 units were manufactured in Milan, Italy by the time production ended in 1990. All cars sold as 1991 models were actually manufactured in 1990.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TC_by_Maserati
“I suspect the market will see right through what is essentially a reshaped Chrysler 200.”
What are you talking about? The two cars share nothing.
Per this link the Giulia is supposed to be a RWD vehicle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Giulia_(2015)
But then there are articles stating it is not.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/alfa-romeo-giulia-to-be-fwd-after-all-47840.html
Which is it? If the model is not RWD, then how is it different than the Chrysler 200?
It is RWD based. Nothing at all shared with the 200. The rest of the details are out on otherwebsites now.