Raise your hands if you’ve seen a Buick Envision, or even heard someone mention it?
The Chinese-built crossover is now on sale in the U.S., but you’d be forgiven for not knowing that. Due to a case of odd timing, the model will see a short (and expensive) 2016 model year before all trim lines go on sale this fall as a 2017 model.
With no advertising to be found, it seems General Motors figured “Nah, we’ll tell them about it later.”
Forget ticker tape parades or even a billboard — the Envision maintained complete invisibility upon arrival in North America. Automotive News called it GM’s “quietest vehicle launch in recent memory,” speculating that limited ad budgets and inflamed election rhetoric are the likely reasons for GM’s radio (TV, Internet and print) silence.
Sales stats show Buick sold 89 Envisions to U.S. buyers in May, and a grant total of two north of the border (one in April, another in May).
Because uplevel models were the only Envisions sent to dealers for the abbreviated 2016 model year, a hefty starting price of $42,995 probably wouldn’t look good in a marketing campaign (“Imported from China!” doesn’t have that great a ring to it, either).
Come fall, that starting price drops eight grand to $34,990 — much more palatable for the crossover and SUV-hungry buyers Buick hopes to attract. So invested is Buick in its utility-is-the-only-way-to-go strategy, it killed off the compact Verano sedan last month.
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No hand raising here. But then again, I find that I really don’t notice Buick SUVs that often.
Seems like a good size and price point (entry level at least) and I would think Buick needs all the momentum it can get. What’s the value of not even trying?
Even with all the Cascada advertising, I have only ever seen one, and it was driven by a lady older than my mom.
I tend to notice the Encore because it looks like a little potato on wheels.
My wife loves the Encore, and she’s a good 40 years under the usual Buick buyer, so they’re doing something right. I saw one in brown, which really amped the potatoness.
I wish my C-Max had been available in brown, so it could fully embrace its own potatoness.
I think it looks like an egg on wheels, but yeah that works too.
Saw my first Cascada yesterday in Florida. Then again, I was down there renting a Mustang convertible parked in the same visitor’s lot at the assisted-living facility, so the Cascada could have been rented by someone on a similar mission.
Boy, is that windshield rake extreme.
Yeah, I wag going to say the Encore is hard to ignore, for better or worse!
bunkie: I saw the Cascada for the first time IRL yesterday. My colleague (young woman) said “It’s very sporty for a Buick!” This was in Colorado.
91 Envision sales probably paid off the Chinese tooling. Now it’s all gravy!
I’ve seen them. They’ve all have “M” plates though.
M is for Mandarin!
M is for Moo Goo Gai Pan!
Yep, got cut off by one who was otherwise driving poorly like a rolling chicane in Brighton, Michigan. He had the “M” plate.
The GM drivers with the “M” plates usually aren’t that way. Usually, that is reserved for the FCA guys. They drive like they know the party’s over and they intend to take you out with them.
I recently was at the stoplight with the first Hellcat I had seen. He also had the “M”. He did not convince me to purchase his product. It may have been the part where I got well out in front of him with my uglibu V6 (which is now, officially, a beater) because he couldn’t actually launch off the line. It could be the part where he didn’t pass me until I was already doing 55. It could be the part where the engine sounded like he was slowly strangling a chicken. It could have been the horrible stench left behind from his car – the smell of too much lean burn nitrous dioxide which leads me to believe they have the compression ratio cranked way up, and, if Chrysler can’t make a pedestrian Tigershark engine that doesn’t explode, when are we going to get the exploding Hellcats? Whatever it was, I definitely am cured of any interest in the Hellcat V8.
I assume the recent touchiness and boorish behavior of the GM drivers that the hand is writing on the wall and the end is coming fast.
Edit: Yes, Mr. Hellcat was angry. And, yes, he did make it known by getting really close to my side and turning his head. Or, perhaps, that’s just Chrysler build quality with the steering going wobbly. I did not make him sit and pump the engine at the light, go on a red, or spin his tires. I just did my usual. Drivers with the “M” are ambassadors for their manufacturers, and they are not good one.
How many of those 89 buyers knew that their new SUV was made in China? How many cared?
I’ve already had enough trouble with the “Made in China” parts on my “American-Made” (read: “American-assembled”) Chevy Sonic. I surely wouldn’t buy a Chinese-built car, especially not a GM.
Canadians may be more open to it. I believe that if you buy a Honda Fit in Canada, it was made in China. Canadians must be more accepting.
My extremely well-built Apple products are all made in China; same’s true of a lot of premium electronics.
Chinese factories can make absolutely top-quality goods – if the people running them are held to exacting standards by the foreign partners.
I’d be wary of GM’s willingness to do that (though on the other hand if the cars are also being sold to the premium end of the CDM and GM China is running the plants, the incentives align better), but not of Chinese manufacture itself.
Yes. The country where something is assembled is unimportant to quality if the company that designs and sells the product does a good job at manufacturing engineering, QA, and holds the contract manufacturer to high standards.
It sounds harsh, but I’ve really thought about it: I can’t come up with a car or factory/country of origin that GM held to “exacting standards” in my lifetime. Lopez destroyed Opel when I was a teenager and they still haven’t come back for full force, and GM has been an object of ridicule related to quality as long as I can remember.
Yet, in China, they are popular as medium priced quality brands.
@Sigivald,
The iPhone might be the exception to the rule. There’s a reason companies like Canon build their higher end camera equipment in Japan.
I’d be less concerned that Honda would be rolling the dice with inadequate quality control when selling a made in China product than I would be that GM would be Cavalier with their customers’ financial and personal well-being.
I wear my New Balance , All-American jeans, underwear and socks made in Kentucky with pride. I wash my clothes with American made washers and dryers. Both cars are American nameplate and assembled here. Am I naive enough to think there are zero Chinese parts? No. But at a time when we send $300 billion each year to China in negative equity when we can’t openly conduct business there without giving up intellectual property and forming lopsided JVs…yeah, my desire for a Chinese assembled car is about nill. Sad this is what an “American” company means today.
Buying this is sending a message that you don’t care about your fellow countrymen and the jobs that they need. I hope this thing is a colossal flop.
Some China-Made Fits were sold in Canada – in the 2013-14 Model Years only. Most were made in Japan (up to MY2014), before coming from the Celaya, Mexico plant since MY2015.
This one is the right color…BROWN !
I have nothing against foreign-built cars, as evidenced by the fact that I drive one. But to me, GM moving assembly to China is a much bigger offense than, say, Kia doing the same thing.
GM continues to exist because, when it went bankrupt, we as a nation rescued them with a bailout. Not for their sake, but for ours, to save the many direct and indirect good jobs they provide to Americans. Now, their way of showing their gratitude for being saved is to export those jobs to China.
I’m sure Buick will sell some of these; it’s probably an adequate product and it’s in a very popular segment. But with all my heart, my personal reaction to the Envision is “To hell with GM.”
It’s not that simple.
Really, it looks like the Envision is a product that was designed in China and for the Chinese market. It will sell in far greater numbers there than here, so that the U.S. is really just an auxiliary market. Therefore, it makes sense to build the cars there and export some of them here.
“Now, their way of showing their gratitude for being saved is to export those jobs to China.”
Given what I just said, there was never really any potential to build this car here. It wouldn’t be profitable. So GM didn’t “export” any jobs. Those jobs were earmarked for China from jump.
Side note, but GM has stated that the China plant is one of their most advanced plants in the world.
Buick is selling nearly 20k Envisions per month in China right out of the gate, it’s a huge hit there. It is a good looking crossover, and likely very competitive. They won’t advertise it here because it will become a punching bag for Chairman Trump. Even if they sell only a handful here, it allows them to say in China that it’s a Chinese made Buick so good it can be exported to western markets, and that will juice the sales there, which is what is important.
By George, I think you’re on to something. IIRC, Chinese auto firm SAIC bought the MG brand, and operates a very slow production line in England as well as faster ones in China, and sells a very small trickle of MG-branded SAIC cars in England as well as far more in China. Why do they bother losing all this money in England? Because it enables them to show CHINESE buyers photos of English people driving the cars in England, hammering home the message: our product is export-quality.
A legitimate argument. Thanks.
@tonycd: although I agree with your sentiment, please remember that the governments of Canada and the province of Ontario also contributed on a per capita basis a considerable amount of money to bail out GM
Good to know, Arthur. Thanks.
I agree. It’s even less-advertised than the Chevy SS—a car that GM clearly has no interest in selling you because it doesn’t make them any money versus other cars in that price range.
It could be a matter of supply, as well. Honda isn’t doing much advertising for the Pilot, HR-V, or Fit. They are having problems keeping up with demand on those models. If you want an Accord, Civic, or CR-V then come on in.
In all fairness we just received our first Envision last night! Shipments are just now trickling in.
Americans, do not worry… the People’s Republic of China and our GM puppets will do your thinking for you!
Don’t worry Joe B. Our Government already does all of our thinking and it will be getting worse :+(
Very handsome with, for today, restrained and elegant styling. Enough wider seeming through the shoulders than the Encore that I’ll at least go sit in one. Hope they gave it a cushy ride.
“Buick envisioned a new size of suv, Envision by Buick Imported from China.” “The next Chrysler 200 Imported from Detroit,China.” Hecho en China has a nice sound to it.
I literally just saw a Buick Cascada in the flesh for the first time the other day, so this isn’t surprising. And all I saw was Opel, lol
(RIP “Buick”)
Opel and tires. The 20s look too big for the car. Makes me think of a Subaru. It looks jacked up.
Had one at work a month or so ago. Everyone loved it, a really great car. I’m still dubious about the resale value, being from China and all. I’m not sure people are ready for that, especially red-blood buyers who will buy Buicks.
I’d rather have a Lexus NX or Acura RDX for the same money… I guess that’s just me.
That was my argument as well. Not for the cars per se, but the resale value. No one wants a Chinese car when you can get a Japanese or USA-made car. The quality of labor just isn’t the same.
I also like to source my import cars from countries that are not threatening to kill us.
Thrat a not a Bruick!!!
You… you made me laugh very loudly at my desk.
Dam you!!
Wrong fake racist accent.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/racist1.gif
So Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Hyundai and Kia all make SUVs in Dixie, while Buick makes this in China. Throw me a life ring, because I’m drowning in a sea of irony over here.
This kind of thing is why I roll my eyes whenever someone gets on their ‘Murican wagon about “domestic” vehicles. I just assume they don’t know what they’re talking about.
It doesn’t get more ‘Murican than a Toyota Tundra, donchaknow.
The Avalon held the title for most American made car until recently, I believe.
I agree…Tundra, made in San Antonio, Texas. It don’t get more ‘Murican that, bro.
The Tundra is made in Texas. “It’s like a whole other country” http://www.jonchristopherdavis.com/texas-its-like-a-whole-other-country-music-video/
China is the only reason the Buick brand still exists. The brand has huge equity there.
Otherwise, here in North America, it would have disappeared along with Pontiac, Hummer and Saturn.
As was said above, the Envision is a Chinese vehicle, made for China, and it’s only incidental that it is now available in North America (Gravy on top).
Wow! As a self-proclaimed car geek I’m surprised I hadn’t heard of this thing. I wondered what country of origin receives an “L” and it turns out it’s China. Interesting.
EDIT: This is a shocker. A dealer in Scottsdale is advertising one for $4,538 OVER sticker. I’m assuming it’s a typo…
http://www.vanbuickgmconline.com/VehicleDetails/new-2016-Buick-Envision-AWD_4dr_Premium_I-Scottsdale-AZ/2773496793
“All dealers are evil”-squad enters the scene in 3…2…1
Like many things, perhaps it’s best to just wait until after the election…
I think that with this being an election year, and Trump already criticizing Ford for moving auto manufacturing to Mexico, GM doesn’t want to become a campaign target and they are keeping things quiet with the Envision until after the elections. Then, afterwards, ramp up the media campaign!
BTW, I really like the Enclave. I think of it as the spiritual successor of the ’53 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon, fairly roomy and quiet and not as tacky as an Escalade.
Good point.
The 2017 being 8K cheaper makes me hope that panoramic sunroof and AWD will NOT be standard on it as I’ve read they are on the 2016.
Boycott the Envasion!
$35k for a made in china Buick. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
I’m sort of glad we don’t have the same density of Luddites per capita in Australia as TTAC has submitting comments. But we still do have the likes of some of you Luddites. They live under rocks and generally work for unions.
What do you “anti” Chinese people fear? Competition? This isn’t a football or baseball game and you are barracking for a team.
Most people attempt to gain the best value for their dollar. This is a part of greed. Yet most of you people cry when any support is given to an “Murican on welfare. You diminish you own as well as “others”.
Life must be really fncked up in some of your minds, how do you live day to day without this fear the world is out to destroy the US through imports, taking your jobs, etc.
Why not be “American” and take the challenge on and compete. You diehard ‘Muricans always are suggesting how great a nation is, then how can China be any form of a challenge? Just read your comments, you are full of fear and the only way you can live with this fear is to be arrogant. Yet who are the selfish ones? The average Chinese with little education working for a a few hundred dollars a month or some of you insecure self righteous types.
Some of you guys just talk sh!t and it is pure sh!t, by displaying underdeveloped and warped ideas of the world outside your front door.
Grow the fnck up and look at what you can do for your country in a fair and equitable fashion.
Play ball and compete fairly without your snivelling whining and crying about how the world is unfair to the US.
Become more competitive or STFU. Take a pay cut to make ‘Murica competitive. You don’t dictate the rules of the game as well.
scarey,
Wow, you comment displays what little knowledge you have regarding wars and highlights some of the truth in my comment above.
What use will all the guns in the world be with modern weaponry? Hmmm…. “Guns” were quite advance weapons in 1776. We now have much better weapons than even artillery, which are really big guns.
You comment just illustrate you fear of life and how insecure you are about our future as humans.
World War???? What rock do you live under? I suppose you need to believe in this fear you have to survive. Don’t walk outside of your house, you might trip over and hurt yourself.
Sir, you are entitled to your opinion…and mine.
Well, there’s one more Ozbag dumped on our nice lawn.
Gotta pitchfork it off before it kills the grass. Worse than cat p1ss that way.
Kenmore,
It appears I have much faith in the US. I do believe it can achieve and succeed. It’s you Luddites that are display insecurity. Your comment highlights the narrow and insular view some who comment on TTAC have regarding the rest of the world.
It not about “War” it’s about influence. “He who controls trade controls the world.” This is what you fear. It has little to do with substandard Chinese product. If it did China would not be the manufacturing powerhouse it is.
Read up on history. Britannia once rules the waves. Even the British had an air of arrogance regarding their success. Actually many Euro nations had there time and they went down the path I read here regarding how the US should manage it’s trade. You are advocating an EU style system of protection and yet you read many comments on this denegrating the EU Socialist model and yet you support the same for the US.
Look at the benefits here. I have seen many comments on TTAC regarding “foreigners” that appear to be very arrogant. Why?
So, is it okay for the US to export? If this is the case why should the US not import?
How large is the US presence as a “foreigner” in other nations? You don’t as much whining regarding this as you do from you guys who whine about the US competing. The US is the largest single country with foreign interests. So, how bad is a little competition?
If, as some of you suggest making the US insular then expect other to not want your product and trade. This will be devestating to the US economy.
As I stated you need to play the game, and be the best player. If you aren’t you will become a spectator.
Compete and stop crying. Make America great through innovation. Let US companies from Cummins, GM, Apple, Nike and on and on set up shop in China, it’s a massive market.
But don’t snivel and whine when you receive Chinese imports or Australian or even Mexican.
Gotdammit! Now we need both wheelbarrows.
No, wait… just empty out the truck and back it in here… we’ll hose it out after.
Well, Kenmore, this is what happens when you talk about what you have little knowledge of.
It’s all about you and not your country.
Have faith in America and don’t be so fearful. You can do it!
Good job, guys.
Hey, Jake… Jake!
Don’t roll that up yet, I wanna wet down the grass that stuff was sitting on. Dilute whatever might be left.
We’ve got an automotive trade deficit simply from having the lowest tariffs of any meaningful market with straight forward regulations. But most importantly, US consumers are simply the most accepting of foreign cars, again, of any meaningful car market.
If the EU, Soviets, China, Japan, etc, could reciprocate, it’d be a different story.
We may have a Chinese car phobia, but it’s well earned. We don’t mind Chinese gadgets, textiles or even appliances, but most of us have to draw the line somewhere.
Are there anti-suicide nets around the Chi-Com Buick factory roofs? Apple’s got’em. Just how many workers need to jump before nets are built?
GM is a company with no soul, no morals and no integrity, just like Apple. This is the first phase of a flood of Chi-Com Buick-Cadillac products set to hit your local GM franchise.
See the USA
In your Chicom Bruick-Chrevrolet!
Brase-a-brall
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We’d love to “set up” shop in China, if only the game wasn’t tilted massively in favor of China. Want to open up shop there? Sure…but first you have to join a lopsided JV with a Chinese company. Technical and intellectual property? Nah…you have to give it up before doing business. Want to sell a product you manufactured elsewhere in China? Be prepared to have it tariffed. And if all of that isn’t enticing enough, just wait long enough for your product to be mercilessly ripped off without a chance in Hades of having your design/trademark protected.
Import/export is a wonderful thing, but when the balance sheet shows $300+ billion each year going one way, then it’s long past the time of being a fairly balanced approach and has very little to do with open competition. But, as I’ve said, the American consumer has spoken with each “vote” they cast with their dollars, and inexpensive Chinese goods get the votes. Government and industry can play their part, but consumer demand is ultimately what drives the decisions, and as long as Americans don’t care where there goods come from (and how many of their own friends, neighbors and family are displaced or out of work), the imbalance will continue.
“Import/export is a wonderful thing, but when the balance sheet shows $300+ billion each year going one way…”
The net trade imbalance that the U.S. has been running with China has been averaging approximately 530 billion to 610 billion USD annually, but you’re otherwise mostly correct.
After another Clinton, the trade will be reasonably balanced; since we won’t have anything left of value to give them for their products. Hillary sat on Wal-Mart’s board when they became the retailer of China Inc and Bill sold them full access to our market, military technology and the Lincoln Bedroom for pocket change. Remember when he said he wouldn’t let anyone see his contributor list until after the election? Another Clinton administration is just what we need to bring jobs back for what passes for high-school and liberal arts graduates.
excellent post. thank you.
Big Box Mart by JibJab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKv6RcXa2UI
I think the issue is that China is a police state that tramples labor rights and does not allow foreign companies to freely compete in its own market as we allow them to compete in ours, all the while engaging in rampant intellectual property theft. Competition is fine on a level playing field, and that isn’t one.
China doesn’t have a free market trade policy, it has a mercantilist policy, and so does nearly every other Asian nation. We in the West get some token concessions which are sure to be flagrantly unenforced, call it a trade deal and a victory for the free market, and our partners laugh softly at our naivete and pocket our money. Read “One World, Ready or Not” by William Greider. Got to be ten years old now, and it’s far from anti-trade—but it skewers our leaders for wishful thinking.
Greider also has another great book, “Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country” and that is a must read as well. I read it on the recommendation of one of my economics teachers in college….still have it on my bookshelf. Learned more from that book than 12 years of ‘Murcian public education ever could.
Yes, that’s a great one too! About 5 inches thick, but very educational.
Wait…they still make Buicks ????
I’ve seen a few, all in the GM Canada office parking lot in Oshawa though.
You need to get out more.
Enjoy the blue plate early-bird special at a chain restaurant and you’ll see them.
Buicks, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Chryslers, Ford Tauruses, Chevy Impalas, Avalons, lots and lots of Toyota Avalons.
@Johnster,
When I see a car clogging up the left lane at 10 under driven by a blue hair; its most often an Avalon or Camry these days. Rarely is it a Buick anymore.
I saw half a dozen today. Of course, I live in Warren. I drive up Van Dyke or Mound a few times a day.
Countdown to the next bailout has already begun.
yeah, whatever.
So, they enter the compact luxury market with a very good first try and then kill it (Verano) before even trying with version 2, or trying on the idea of effective marketing? Despite the Verano being the highest volume car Buick sells. Despite having the new platform which would mean lighter weight. All to go total CUV? Brilliant.
For tanking my Verano’s market value GM never gets my future business. Of course they don’t care about sales to “car buyers” who mostly hate SUV/CUV/boxes/soccer mom appliances.
No worries, manufacturers who try without quitting ASAP are still around.
Yeah, my mother isn’t quite sure what to think about her Verano being a “one and done.” Of course, she keeps cars for ten years and is only four years into this one, so it probably won’t matter much in the end as far as resale goes (though I highly doubt it will do as well as what her 2003 Toyota Corolla went for when I sold it in advance of her buying the Verano…I had people offering MORE than I was asking for it).
I rented a base Verano and liked it very much. It was like GM asked Grandma and Grandpa what they’d like on their Cruze if money were no object. Grandma, you say you want seats more comfortable than your Barcalounger, and blind spot warning lights so you don’t have to crane your neck? You got it. Grandpa, you say there’s no substitute for cubic inches? Swell, we’ll rip out that little 1.4 liter and find something more in the 2.4, 2.5 range for you.
What’s that, grandson, you’d like flawless mirror-black paint and plus-two wheels like a Lexus? Hey, sure, we’ll let you throw on an option package for that, it’ll look twice the price.
Say again, Grandma? Oh indeed, we’ll make sure it has a cushy ride and one-finger steering. What’s that, grandson, you want self-centering and road feel in the steering too? DAMN IT, JIM, I’M AN ENGINEER, NOT A MAGICIAN!
Being discontinued doesn’t necessarily tank a car’s resale. The Chevy Avalanche, Pontiac G8, BOF Explorer, S2000, etc all enjoyed increases in value after cancellation.
Not buying a Chinese-built car, especially for $35k+. Probably cost about 1/3 of that to build.
Plus, my Chinese TV (Hisense), bought new, broke down after a whopping two months. Luckily I got a full refund.
I have nothing against the Chinese people but they do seem to have a “quantity over quality” attitude towards manufacturing.
Should be priced at $15k tops. I bet all in, the car costs 8k to produce.
Labor unit cost per vehicle as total % of vehicle total production cost as been dropping precipitously since the late 80s.
Part of this is due to dramatically higher productivity, dramatically higher use of autonomous machinery in welding/fabrication and assembly (robotics), and you fortunat3ly, part of this is the result of declining real wages in western nations in inflation adjusted terms (even Germany, renowned for strong labor unions, has seen real wage decreases in manufacturing employment as German manufacturers now outsource a greater % of their production with each speeding year to eastern European nations and Northern Africa and South Afruca).
I think labor constitutes roughly 18% of a final assembled vehicle’s total cost of production, at last check, at least in North America.
So, given that the average total wage for Chinese labor is approx $2.85 per hour (versus $4 USD in Mexico, and $44, which equals wage + benefits in NA), the savings from cheap Chinese labor is still probably less as a % of total cost of unit produced than the savings reaped by sourcing much lower cost Chinese-produced parts (many from Chinese State Owned Enterprises that are mandated Joint Venture partners of western and Japanese and Korean manufacturers wanting to sell vehicles in China).
The only problem is an hour later you want to buy one again.
If you don’t get this joke, don’t bother me.
Here in SF nobody buys the others, I never see any. China, um no thanks.