By on July 31, 2017

abandoned rusty Datsun truck, Image: Mr Hicks46/Flickr

You know the type: it’s the one who starts their ad with “RARE!” and ends it with “I know what I’ve got!!!1!” No matter what type of cars you’re into – classic muscle, JDM imports, or modern supercars – there’s almost always one person in the crew who thinks what they own is worth a king’s ransom.

Never, though, have I even seen someone so massively, incredibly, ginormously overvalue their car like this seller.

Look, there’s nothing wrong with setting an asking price more than your car is worth. At the very least, it gives you a bit of negotiating room. At worst, it leads to the thing sitting in your driveway (or worse, your lot) until it celebrates its next birthday.

But this Caprice, listed on eBay by the seller for $300,000, is priced like something I’ve never seen. Painted refrigerator white, it does appear to be perhaps the cleanest Box Caprice I’ve ever seen. According to the seller (in ALL CAPS, natch), this is a handbuilt one-of-one prototype, with “definition technology” and “to much to list.” Erm, okay.

According to a few other internet sleuths, this same car was offered for sale in the past, once for 10 millions dollars and another time for 1.5 million dollars.

I recall, ages ago, driving with a high school buddy trying to find a good car for that year’s demolition derby. A mid-80s Grand Marquis appeared, parked in the weedy ditch outside the owner’s home in a one-road town. The owner, an older gent, ambled out and spoke to us about all the “good parts” still left on the car. Keep in mind, this not-so-Grand Marquis was rustier than an anchor.

“I’ll take four for it…” the white-haired man said, chainsmoking unfiltered Player’s.

Four hundred bucks, I thought. It’s a start, if I can get him down to two fifty…

“…but I suppose I could go down to $3,500.”

Needless to say, we beat feet back to the truck. What’s the most gonzo-priced car you’ve ever happened upon?

[Image: Mr Hicks46/Flickr (CC BY-SA 2.0)]

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95 Comments on “QOTD: More Money Than Sense?...”


  • avatar
    Syke

    On the good side: His price is slowly descending into reality.

    Hopefully, by March 2035, he’ll have finally dropped the price to something that is within the actual market value.

  • avatar
    arach

    I’ve been accused of being “That Guy” more than once.

    Funny thing about it though is that I clearly wasn’t that guy because I sold the car for close to what I was asking both times.

    The tricky thing about this type of question is that “it depends” on so many things. for one example, I sold a low mileage, great condition 1988 Fiero GT. I was asking way more than KBB, because I wasn’t selling a Fiero for an 18 year old to drive to school, I was selling it to someone looking for a Cherry Fiero for their car collection. It took me about 3 months, but I sold it for just $500 shy of my asking price to a Car Collector from Texas who I picked up at the airport in Cincinnati to get it. He was, to my knowledge, completely pleased with the purchase.

    Similar story with my Z28 Camaro. First guy who came to look at it ranted and screamed how I was trying to turn a rust bucket for top dollar. He called me a con-artist, and a nutjob, and a bunch of other words. Wow, I honestly didn’t know someone could get THAT upset when the car didn’t meet their expectations. Second guy who came out looking at it straight up told me, “I was hoping to talk you down, but this thing is in great shape- its worth every penny your asking, so I won’t even insult you by offering what I was hoping to pay”. The third guy paid asking price.

    I wont disrespect the staff here and say what the name of it is, but I wrote a book on buying and selling cars because everyone was always impressed on my ability to find value where others didn’t. I didn’t “flip” cars but rather I’d play the markets and listing sites and find pricing disparities, Buying a diesel truck in texas and shipping it to Ohio, or buying a Ferrari from Fort Lauderdale and shipping it to Ohio. I even bought a brand new motorcycle from Florida still in crate for 4 grand under MSRP, drove it for 10 years and resold it at a profit. My point being that there are DEFINITELY people who overvalue their car (Met a guy with a “Maserati” (TC by chrysler) Who thought his car was worth about the same as a Ferrari, because Maserati and Ferrari was cousins….

    But on the flip side, vehicles are worth different amounts to different people for different purposes. I’d right now pay top dollar for a Geo Storm GSI, I’d gladly pay 4x bluebook pricing, because I want one for autocrossing, so some day I’ll find that nutjob with a mint GSI asking top dollar that everyone says, “That nut wants 4 grand for a Geo Storm”, and I’ll throw dollar bills at him and load ‘er up, and be happy as a clam.

    • 0 avatar
      Pesky Varmint

      Very appropriate post. Anyone in the car business knows there is an ass for every seat.

    • 0 avatar
      iNeon

      But those Chrysler/Maserati cars sure are nice!

      Plush.

      • 0 avatar
        cimarron typeR

        I was a lot boy in early 90s at Chevy store, the Storm GSI 16v is a great driving car. Must be Teal or Banana yellow though.I think I’d rather have the Impulse tuned by Lotus though.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      Why pay $4k when $1500 buys a decent one?

      https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/geo-storm/6243152998.html

      Well, here’s one for $4k if that’s what you want to pay. His ad is mildly amusing. I don’t like that kinda crap, but some of you may get a kick out of it.

      https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/dopest-car-around/6241781808.html

      • 0 avatar
        -Nate

        What’s not to like in the $1,500 one ? it’s got rust, dents, cracked dashboard and obvious frontal collision damage…. _PLUS_ 100,000 + miles .

        Not really fair to compare them both .

        ? Were these any good when new ? .

        -Nate

  • avatar
    Shortest Circuit

    (***BRING CRACK PIPE***)

    also, most gonzo-priced car? Saw an Evo IX/MR last year for like $75k… not so low miles.

  • avatar
    Pesky Varmint

    What about the seller that makes you wonder who is insane, you or them?

    The lady I called asking about the classic Bronco (1968) she had advertised.

    Told me it was made by the Bronco Corporation, the company that made Broncos before Ford bought them.

    • 0 avatar
      skor

      It’s probably the main reason so many old cars spend decades moldering away until they are unsalvageable. Someone has a clean 65 six cylinder Mustang hardtop with no options and 4 lug wheels. Car has some value, could be used as the basis for a custom, or just restored as is and driven on sunny weekends. The owner, however, believes that car is worth as much as 65 GT350 and will not take on cent less.

      • 0 avatar
        Syke

        The kicker is that that 6 cylinder, three speed, four lug wheels, Mustang is rarer than a ’65 GT350.

        It’s just not as desirable, nor worth that kind of money.

  • avatar
    JimC2

    You could counter-offer with full price in cash: Monopoly Money.

  • avatar
    MrGrieves

    These listings are usually put up by the “tuner” crowd who think that adding $2000 worth of useless garbage makes the car priceless. The opposite of this are buyers who make ridiculously low offers in the hope of scoring a huge bargain. Case in point:

    I helped my mother-in-law sell her 4WD Highlander on Craiglist. A prospective buyer sent me a note with an extreme lowball offer and said “I don’t want 4WD, just 2WD. I don’t want to pay for 4WD.” I replied “Okay – let me go out and remove the front drive axles and then you’ll have a 2WD vehicle.” It was a sarcastic remark but he took it seriously. He asked me to save whatever parts were removed in the conversion to 2WD.

    • 0 avatar
      operagost

      Not a car for sale, but a trumpet. A guy was eyeballing our table at a musical instrument swap meet. He waited for me to go to the bathroom, then approached my wife and offered $20 for a trumpet marked $150. Now, she had a price list on which I’d marked how low I was willing to go in case someone made an offer in my absence, but she was smart enough to know that $20 couldn’t be a good price on something I was selling for $150. She suggested he wait a minute for me to get back, whereupon he split.

      Don’t be that (misogynist) guy.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      Lol yeah, that was similar to when I was selling my Honda Accord. A guy calls me and offers a fraction of my asking price. I literally LOL’ed.

      “But there’s one near me in better condition for the same price, and I’m XX miles away from you.”

      I simply told him to go buy the other car. If its closer, and supposedly in better condition, why did you call me? Oh, to see if I was stupid enough to give it to you for peanuts.

      I listed a set of wheels for my friend. Price was $600.

      Guy calls and says he’s 100 miles away, would we take $400 since he would have to make the trip. I hesitated, but I called my friend and she said she needed the money, so yes she will take $400. I text him back and said she accepts his offer. I give him her number.

      He calls her, and says he’s over 100 miles away, would she knock $200 off for the trip? LOL Now we’re down to $200 for $600 wheels.

      So, we would deduct a total of $400 off the $600 price, because he’s driving 100 miles.

      I told her to ask him if we should just pay him $200 to come get them. That makes as much sense.

      • 0 avatar
        gtemnykh

        “I simply told him to go buy the other car. If its closer, and supposedly in better condition, why did you call me? Oh, to see if I was stupid enough to give it to you for peanuts.”

        Yeah I never got the logic of that “appeal.” Well hell, if that other car is closer, nicer, and cheaper, hell you better get off the phone and go buy that one!

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      on the flip side are idiot “buyers” who are looking for a car to mod, and act like you should drop the asking price to offset the cost of the mods they want to do.

  • avatar
    CaptainObvious

    Yep – no red flags with this ebay listing.

    Odometer picture shows 411 miles
    Description says 900
    AutoCheck says 07/05/1996 -CHICAGO, IL- 45,368

    Yep – no worries there.

  • avatar
    threeer

    Just because it’s one of the last 1993 Dodge Colts running with low(ish) miles and no rust, doesn’t mean it is automatically worth $20k. That said, if you don’t agree with the selling price, don’t buy the car (or offer what you think is fair and if the seller doesn’t agree, then walk away).

    I do laugh at many of the ads, though. Makes for better reading than most of today’s comic strips.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Because a museum quality B-body is certainly worth $300,000 USD. I would have guessed $3,000, but I was wrong.

  • avatar
    skor

    I’ve seen idiotic prices set on used cars more times than I can count, not just for cars, motorcycles, boats….a couple of years ago the guy across the street asked if I was interested in his little CRT computer monitor….’gimme 50 bucks for it.”

  • avatar
    jh26036

    This is just a ruse to his wife that he’s trying to sell it but nobody is buying.

    • 0 avatar
      skor

      Because he’s gonna restore it ‘someday’, you’ll see.

    • 0 avatar
      arach

      I’m totally guilty of this.

      “Well hunny, the Book value of this bike is about $3000, but its low mileage and has a lot of new parts so I don’t want to geet screwed over. I’m listing it at $6500 and we’ll wait for someone who knows what its worth”

      “Well hunny, we didn’t sell it before winter. Bikes aren’t worth anything in winter, so we’ll have to wait until next year”

      “Well Dear, the bike is now worth more as a collectors item, so I’m raising the price to $7500. We’ll get someone eventually”

      “Well Dear, we didn’t sell it before winter. Bikes aren’t worth anything in winter, so we’ll have to wait until next year”

      “Wife, since our kids are now gone to college, I think we should get a new bike. I dropped the price of our old bike by a few dollars (An unstated $1500), and I already have a buyer! I know you’ve wanted it sold for a while, so this is exciting. After they load it up this afternoon, we’ll head out to the Harley dealership and look at the new ones”

  • avatar

    Its only Crack Pipe if no one pays it.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Worst price? Probably my own Dad. (I’ll qualify it by saying I did eventually get him to gift it to me.)

    1967 Mustang convertible. 289 2 barrel, three speed auto, mileage exceeds mechanical limits of the odometer, needs floor pan, needs new top, top goes down but not up without help, needs paint, (at the time) needed tires and hadn’t been tuned up since the late 70s, manual steering and no power boost on the brakes.

    His asking price: $14,000

    • 0 avatar
      nemosdad

      Dan, markets are relative. I’m on Vancouver Island and that car at that price would have sold in minutes.
      Going even further, the Mustang would not even need to be listed. Just get the word out to a couple people and it’s sold.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    That Caprice does look like a weird one-off car. Chevy truck steering wheel, Chevy truck steelies, and what looks like the EFI setup adapted from the Cadillac HT4100. They’ll have to at least take off a zero before anyone seriously looks at it for a museum, assuming it’s the real thing.

    There’s 148 people, including myself, watching it on eBay. Should be interesting.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      “certified” speedometer which is usually for police vehicles…

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      I do recall reading about a GM Skunkworks Caprice (box) that had a BMW V12 engine and Corvette independent suspension. It was part of advanced “greater than V8” powertrain research.

      That’s a car I’d be interested in seeing.

      • 0 avatar
        bikegoesbaa

        The Caprice with a BMW V12 definitely existed.

        I saw it on a tour of the GM heritage center in ~2006.

        • 0 avatar
          bumpy ii

          IIRC that one was the second V12. Story was that GM bought a BMW 750iL in the late ’80s, swapped the engine into the Caprice as a test mule, but plumbed the radiator backwards and overheated the engine. So they went out and bought a second 750iL and plumbed that one correctly.

    • 0 avatar
      Ryoku75

      I dunno about the EFI, but the truck bits, the blank white color, it wouldn’t surprise me if this is just an old cop car.

  • avatar
    JimZ

    Those green coolant hoses are worth at least $10k.

  • avatar
    NeilM

    That seller may “know what he’s got,” but he apparently can’t spell any of it.

  • avatar

    I’ve got a recent one.

    Guy lists his RX330 at Good KBB value, looks super clean from the pics, and claims it’s well-maintained.

    I get there and it’s beat to hell, headlamps yellowed, missing leather on arm rests.

    …He used photos from five years ago when he bought it.

    I said “Are the pictures on your ad old or something?”

    “I just didn’t get it cleaned up after I listed it, that’s why the headlights are yellowed.”

    Yeah.

    • 0 avatar
      Ryoku75

      “Pics aren’t my car, but it’s the same color”

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus

        Even better:

        “Car has minor front end damage. Here are 24 pictures.”

        No pictures of the damage whatsoever. Every picture taken is angled to hide the front if it would normally be shown.

        All that says to me is its f’ed up and he’s scared to show it.

        Trying to pass it off as “minor”? Show me the damage. I’ll be the judge of it being minor or not. Oh, the frame rail is bent around and jobbed into the radiator? Yeah, that’s minor lol. So minor it turned this “easy fix” into a parts car. And $1100/off KBB good value isn’t enough to make it viable for parts.

        Another one:
        “Engine failed, LOTS OF NEW PARTS! Timing belt. Oil change. Head gaskets. These are worth more than the asking price!”

        Lol WTF would I do with some used head gaskets and oil/filter? And I have to take apart the engine to get them? They’re worth $0. Just because you spend money on a car does NOT increase its value by that amount.

      • 0 avatar

        https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/lexus-rx/6204388921.html

        Here it is. Price was $8 when I checked it out, weeks ago. In no way does THAT car look like that anymore.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus

          But they downsized to the Crown Victoria in the garage! Looks totally legit to me.

        • 0 avatar
          Ryoku75

          Usually when an ad starts off with excuses as to why they’re selling the car, you know somethings up.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus

            “This is a GREAT car! I’ve had it for like 3 months, and it never broke down! Selling to get something more reliable.”

            Oh. That’s great, let me buy your unreliable car, the one I’m supposed to believe never breaks down.

            A variation of this was a chick asking $3500 for her well used, high mileage 1994 Achieva because that’s how much she needs to buy a 2000s Civic. Awesome, I love overpaying for a worn out POS so you can “upgrade” to a more expensive car. Please, allow me the pleasure of ripping myself off for your benefit.

            “Bought it 6 months ago, last week the transmission started slipping on the way home from work, so I parked it and bought a new truck. Price is firm, I’m only asking what I have in it.”

            Lol so I should buy a broken vehicle for what you paid for it when it wasn’t broken? Sounds great.

  • avatar
    Ermel

    The other day, someone tried to sell their Citroen Xantia V6 (not sure if it was an Activa, but either way a mid-1990s, mid-four-digits-car at best, midsize over here, probably a compact four-door fastback to you) for a starting offer of something like €15k on e-bay. So far so hoopy, but he tried to pass the thing as an almost-Maserati, on the grounds of having added a couple badges and also of course the Xantia being a successor to the famous Maserati-V6-engined Citroen SM. Which of course it is, in a way — in much the same way that a Mercedes C 300 is a successor to the Mercedes 300 SL “Gullwing”. Both six-cylinder cars from the same manufacturer, right?!

  • avatar

    This is also similar to the “Sell-Me-Your-Car-For-Average-Black-Book-While-Giving-Me-Clean-KBB-Retail-For-My-Trade-And-Don’t-Forget-To-Add-For-Premium-Audio-Because-I-Replaced-The-Standard-Single-DIN-Stereo-With-A-JENSEN-Head-Unit-With-Aux-Input.”

  • avatar
    volvo

    “What’s the most gonzo-priced car you’ve ever happened upon?”

    While maybe not gonzo priced I would say almost any non CPO used car on a dealer’s lot.

  • avatar
    nlinesk8s

    The most common version of this is where someone wants megabucks based on the value of a fully-restored car, NOT the value of the rusted-out example they have. “That thing’ll be worth $30k restored!” THEY want to be paid for the money YOU will have to put into it.

    There’s also a lot of ignorance out there. Good example: mid-70’s Spitfire ad, dusty, sitting in a poorly-lit garage, and pics are barely legible. Asking price $7k. Uh-huh.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      Ray Stevens had a song called: Used Cars – there’s a line in the song:

      “What’s she worth?”

      He said: “All depends Slick.”

      “Depends on what?”

      “Depends on how much gas ya got in the tank.”

    • 0 avatar
      Ermel

      Reminds me of when I was looking for a VW Bug convertible in the mid-1990s. Second one I looked at was a ’67, plenty of rough welding, brush paintjob, rear seat missing, lots of bad rubber, lots of oil leaks — but running and no rust holes. They had a official-looking valuation from five years ago claiming a value of DM 7,500 “due to rarity, despite bad condition”, and asked exactly that much.

      I said to my Dad, who’d driven me there: “Let’s go home.” Seller asked, “well what *would* you be prepared to pay for it?” And well, I’d have liked a ’67. So I said, “I don’t want to buy it for any price. You’d have to offer it for under two grand before I’d even begin to think about reconsidering.”

      Needless to say, they didn’t. Good thing, too, because I bought a rather clean ’70 for 10 grand the following weekend.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus

        I won’t let my dad drive me to look at a vehicle ever again.

        I wanted a small truck, I had several S10/Sonomas, Ranger/B-Series and such to look at, and an Isuzu Hombre. It was the farthest away, but the owner was home.

        We pulled up, I said “well, I’m going to go check it out.” I got out, started walking towards the Hombre, and I hear the truck crank up. I turn around and he’s leaving.

        So, here I am, probably 50 miles from home, abandoned. I had to buy the Hombre, which I would not have, had I not been stranded. What’s more, I had to pay full asking price, despite the fact that they said “OBO” in the ad.

        Thanks a lot, dad. I hated that truck, it was a POS. I got sick of repairing it, and when I found the cab corners were about as strong as wet toilet paper, I traded it for a Ford Tempo.

        Laugh all you want, it was more reliable than the Hombre, and I sold it for more than the highest offer I received on the Hombre before deciding to trade it. I drove the Tempo for a couple years and put maybe $200 into it for repair/maintenance (I had put Contour SVT wheels on it, but I resold them separate from the car). I regret selling it, the only thing I regretted about the Hombre was buying it to begin with.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    Other than the moronic all caps, that description sounds like a Chinese bootleg thing, maybe this is a rare Caprice knock off?

    For me, I’ve seen many crackpot worthy Volvo 240s. I’ve sold mine for $2500 in good shape, $1200 in beater state. I never knew that half-assed manual swaps or bypassed heater cores could double the price, simply having a 93 beings eyes too for some reason.

    Of course, the videogame market shocks me more than most cars in terms of pricing, be it old junk or gross scalpers thanks to Nintendos low supply nonsense. Thankfully, old PC games are usually cheap.

  • avatar
    deanst

    I have a $350,000 Saturn SL I would trade – if he threw in the balance in cash.

  • avatar
    JimC2

    “$Call 4 price. no reasonable offers refused!!”

  • avatar
    JohnTaurus

    I have seen too many to remember, but a few weeks ago, there was a Dodge Spirit with more rust than paint, non running, been sitting for 10+ years, they wanted $2k firm because it has low miles. I wouldn’t give them $200 for it.

    That reminds me: “to (sic) much to list” irks me. I feel like saying, hey, DUMBASS, craigslist/eBay doesn’t charge by the word, so go ahead and tell us how you bought a brand new breather filter for $3 in 2007 for this car, because it makes such a huge difference.

    If I sell a car and I did a lot of work to it, nothing is too much to list. You generally find that phrase on ads where its more than suspicious to begin with, like “new engine, trans rebuilt, new transfer case, needs starter.” lol so you dumped $3500-4k in this vehicle and will take a quarter of that because it needs a $60 part? If you’re just trying to get rid of money, well, I can help you with that.

    • 0 avatar
      Ryoku75

      A year back there was a low mileage Dodge 600 I think it was? I never looked at it, but it got sold to some slimy “flipper”, original price was maybe $800.

      The ad was just very absurd, the price was maybe $3k I think? One night time picture and any others you’d actually need to pay for, cuz “it was just that beautiful”, no test drives or anything either. “RAG TOP LOVERS ONLY”

  • avatar
    geo

    My friend Colin bought a rusty, rwd, ’92 Nissan Hardbody pickup from an old farmer. I think Colin considered it a “barn find” due to it’s agricultural residence and its 29,000 kilometer odometer reading; however, to me it was obvious that the truck had been heavily used within the borders of the farm itself for many years. Colin paid 2500 bucks for it and ended up putting a couple thousand dollars worth of suspension and engine work into it.

    I drove it, liked how it drove, and considered buying it for myself when Colin said it was going on the market. But he quickly put a stop to that when he suggested it was worth what he paid for it.

  • avatar
    -Nate

    I was wondering how a 1989 model year car has a 2004 SPID ? .

    At least it looks good ! .

    -Nate

  • avatar
    JohnTaurus

    Geeze, that damn Caprice ad made my head hurt. I think he could subcontract the writing of the ad to a 12 year old, and there would be a significant improvement.

    When I open an ad and its just a wall of caps, maybe with ****((((ALL))))**** ###KINDS### of @@@@STUPID@@@@ symbols or similar crap, I just hit the “back” button. I don’t care if its a perfectly restored 1969 Camaro for $1,500 with $1,499 in unmarked bills in the console. I’ll never know because I don’t care enough to try to make sense of your ad.

    • 0 avatar
      -Nate

      @John ;

      LOL ~ I considered asking the seller if he new/cared that the entire internet was laughing at him….

      It’s still a very nice car but it’s a _build_ not a restoration in any way so still (IMO) worth more (maybe) than the average old Chevy Caprice but nothing like this boob’s asking price no matter what .

      -Nate

    • 0 avatar
      Ryoku75

      The way that I see it, if someones too lazy to hit shuft/caps lock they’re too lazy to do car work.

      In one case, I was proven right by a “1999 SUBARU OUTBACK WITH BRAND NEW HEADGASKETS I CHANGED THEM MYSELF”, you could smell the dripping coolant from half a mile away.

  • avatar
    Moparmann

    @JohnTaurus: The same with no/minimal, or poor quality photos, no full on body shots, cropped photos, poor spellings; “needs restored” etc. etc….end of rant!! LOL!! :-)

  • avatar
    JK43123

    Any used pickup these days. 10 years old, 130k miles, 23 grant? Yeah right.

  • avatar
    Erikstrawn

    I’ve been accused of being that guy. About ten years ago the transmission in my wife’s beat-to-hell Lumina crapped out and I put the car on craigslist for $300. Some guy called several times asking if I’d take $100 for it, even though I could have dragged it across the scales for more.

    I kept turning him down and finally he said, “You’re never going to get $300 for that piece of $#!+!”.

    The next day I got a call from a body shop owner. He came out, took one look at the front end and handed me $300.

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