At the end of 2017, we’ve reached a point where it seems odd to launch, or even hint at, a new large passenger car. So it’s with a furrowed brow that we gaze upon this teaser from Infiniti.
The blindingly white car you’re seeing a corner of is real, bowing at next month’s North American International Auto Show in Detroit. It’s a concept that “previews a new generation of Infiniti vehicles,” the automaker tells us, so it’s no wonder Infiniti chose the large sedan category as a canvas for this design study. Generously proportioned sedans and coupes excell at showing off long, flowing lines and curves.
Of course, it’s crossovers that actually sell these days, which makes the rumors that this concept heralds a real-life flagship sedan all the more questionable.
“As a new wave of technologies begins to take shape, our Detroit concept car heralds a new generation of Infiniti,” said Alfonso Albaisa, the automaker’s senior vice president of global design, in a statement. “A seamless and stunning new design philosophy demonstrating Infiniti artistry in the new age of autonomy and breakthrough drivetrains.”
There’s plenty of forward-looking talk in that brief statement, so it’s not surprising that the Infiniti concept is expected to appear as an all-electric model. Albaisa said as much to Autocar back in September. The model wouldn’t be an electrified version of an existing model, he said, and would ride atop a new, dedicated platform.
It’s been years since Infiniti offered American buyers a full-size sedan. The Q45, which burst on the scene from behind a rock and tree in 1989, ushered itself out of the U.S. marketplace after 2006. The midsized M35 and M45 — the second generation of which matches the first-gen Q45 in looks, in this writer’s humble opinion — became the top-flight model, changing its name to Q70 for 2014.
Over the first 11 months of 2017, Q70 sales are up 1.4 percent — a sales hike that’s entirely the result of unusually strong March. The Q70’s annual sales are a quarter of that of the M models in 2007. Yet there’s talk of the upcoming concept morphing into a range-topping sedan, perhaps carrying the Q80 name.
It’s no secret that full-size sedans, once as common as lawn signs on election night, are quickly fading into obscurity and irrelevance. Can the type of powertrain make all the difference? With the exception of the hugely expensive Model X, electric crossovers aren’t a thing. Not yet. It makes one wonder how long of a window exists for the passenger car to shine as an EV, even one serving as a flagship technological centerpiece.
Still, EV platforms are built to be versatile. Maybe, at this early point, a green halo is more important than sales.
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RIP V8 Infiniti cars.
1989 – 2017
RIP Infiniti cars.
1989 – 2017
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My M35 haz a sad.
Buck up, Son.
At least your M35 has a proper alpha-numeric code that tells us something about its displacement and place in the overall lineup.
Oh, I’ll be okey.
I think it’s a bit late to attempt a flagship sedan resurgence for this brand.
Agreed.
I don’t know about “too late.” But it’s definitely not the right time. If Infiniti can re-engineer itself, then maybe at some point in the future they can re-introduce a flagship.
But for now, I don’t think their remaining car line is going anywhere. Q50 and Q60 are actually pretty much holding their own (as much as any car in its’ class can these days). The biggest loser in this class has DEFINITELY been BMW.
I’m fairly certain the question was asked at some point but we need to ask again – “Which manufacturer will be the first to give up on every model that’s not a CUV/SUV or truck?”
Mitsubishi is very close. They just tossed the Lancer and seem due to replace it with the “Eclipse Cross”. Only the buy here pay here Mirage remains.
If I were a luxury manufacturer I’d definitely be looking into consolidating my sedan line pronto. I think whittling things down to a 35-60K midsizer is the move.
Isuzu did that years ago..didnt work out so well.
Usual did it too early, and didn’t make anything anyone wanted to buy. Big difference.
My vote goes to Acura, though I’m curious to see what comes of the next ILX
It’ll be Acura. The Q50/Q60 are actually still selling well.
Chrysler and Ford.
Infiniti has needed a Q45 replacement for about 10 years now. If they hadn’t waited so long then this would not be an issue. Yes I realize that the market has shrank since then however if they are innovative then they can use this as another opportunity. In order for them to play at the playground they want to play in they are in need of a top tier flagship.
I would go the BMW route and create my 7 series competitor and then use most of that platform to also remake the Q70/M56 as well.
From the ground up make it a V6 plugin and regular hybrid with a V8 with every do-dade available. With 6’s now making upwards of 400hp this should not be an issue. With the V8 being a range topping plugin at 600 hp.
You dont need abunch of lengths as the Q70 will remain just as long as the Q70L so the “Q90” can be MB S class length.
Or just make the Q90 all electric and be done with it. S Class size topping out at 90k.
The flagship sedan is so dead. All the big luxury flagship sedans that have been around (S, LS, A8, 7 etc) are all down like 40-50% off their peaks. Why? People have moved on to luxury crossovers and SUVs. Those are selling a ton with sales growth, as opposed to the collapsing sales of large (and for that matter many midsize) luxury sedans.
The QX80 is doing fine. I’m bummed they shelved the FX/QX70; hopefully they update it with a bigger, more sophisticated, more modern replacement. That would do much better than the M, which is down EIGHTY percent from its peak last decade.
Why? S is doing okay – beats all German competition combined on any given parking lot in our area. 3 too. One of our coworkers already got her Model 3 and few others are expecting to get theirs soon.
Your area the whole market. In the US sales are way down.
Plus it’s about total profit and revenue, not just margin. A company like Lexus would be better off going all in and maximizing profit on the RX/NX/ES than wasting money on flagships nobody wants.
Well, the main problem is that the full-sized flagship sedan market is shrinking profoundly, like you said. The remaining sales pretty much slide toward the perennial favorite S-Class and the 7 Series in second place.
That puts everybody in an interesting place.
The A8 and XJ, for whatever reason, are also-rans within the traditional segment. They are competitive and high-tech, but the S-Class sets the standard and has that little bit more to draw in buyers willing to pay for the best.
On one hand, you have the LS, which is trying to break free of the traditional three-box segment and be something a bit more sporty and unique, sacrificing a long-wheelbase variant to do so. It’s shape and purpose sits between that of an S-Class and that of a Panamera.
You also have a growing list of pseudo-flagship sedans…which are cars that are, for all intents and purposes, their respective autoamakers’ nicest sedans…but don’t have the mechanicals or prestige to compete in the big leagues. That’s stuff like the Continental, S90, RLX and at the upper end the CT6 and Infiniti’s own Q70L.
And then you have stuff like the Genesis G90, which at least seems to belong in the $100K territory but significantly undercuts its competitors. Mind you, Genesis seems to have no delusions of it being anything other than a niche car, and it exists in the US mostly to prop up the brand’s credibility, while in reality it was intended for the KDM market. The Phaeton would also belong in this category, if it were still in production.
I’m not sure where this new Infiniti would position itself, but the smart money is in dominating that pseudo-luxury segment. Do not try and gun for the S-Class or one of its largely-unsuccessful competitors.
Exactly. The S itself is not doing well; why chase it into oblivion? For better or worse, SUVs like the Cayenne and GLS are the new flagships. Put the money there
Are 7 and A8 sales any more competitive in Europe, or does the S similarly dominate there, too?