The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is under fire from California. Golden State regulators are trying usurp the federal agency's power to set fleet-wide fuel economy averages by classifying CO2 as a pollutant. Rather than fighting the move– debating the "facts" of global warming in the Supreme Court– the EPA is signaling its desire to weasel cut some kind of compromise. While it's unlikely the EPA will do anything to upset Congress' "35 by 2020" mpg applecart, Wardsauto.com reports that the EPA Air Quality Supremo Margo Oge stepped-up to the microphone at the Automotive News shindig and told automakers that "we must bring about an end to the horsepower arms race among auto makers and replace it with another different kind of a race, a race to produce the most affordable and desirable, low carbon-vehicle each year.” New industrial revolution, must reduce greenhouse gas emissions, college kids are green, yada yada yada, California wins but WE'LL handle it. Meanwhile, someone should tell Oge that the horsepower wars are already done; automakers are competing with each other to green-up and meet the EU and NTSA's new fuel economy regs (e.g. GM's Ultrav8tracide and Voltmania). Still, thanks for the career-boosting rhetorical carrot.
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F***ing California and f***ing EPA… ruining the fun for the rest of us…
I was just watching a video about the solar system and its formation. CO2 is necessary for life on planets – it just so happens the carbon has become rock, allowing the oxygen to enter the air, thus helping us to exist. Without CO2, there won’t be life on earth.
Of course, on the other hand, there’s Venus, where the atmosphere is largely CO2, and it’s hellishly hot and dry there. But, we must remember it’s also several million kilometers closer to the sun than we are, so I imagine that has quite a lot to do with the high temperatures.
I read somewhere that some researchers have ‘discovered’ that solar activity has little to do with Earth’s temperatures, saying they looked at solar activity over the last 20 years, and found no correlation with the highest temperatures over that time. However, the warmest temperatures were around the early to mid 1990s… which happened to be right around the time the sun was most active… I don’t know about anyone else, but I sure see a correlation there…
Anyway, I sure wish California would take it’s blowhard celebrities and politicians and just f*** off.
OK apart from a few people stuck in the early 80s most of us realise that CO2 is screwing with the earth and, especially people with kids, we have to balance our fun with allowing the planet to sustain life as we know it.
So it came as a bit of a surprise that the EPA doesn’t regard CO2 as a pollutant.
17,000 highly educated and technically trained people that form the EPA staff and they don’t see CO2 as a problem…
I’m glad I’m not paying US taxes that’s a hell of a lot of salaries to pay people not to see a problem that has the whole world talking about it.
Just because the world is talking about it doesn’t mean they’re right.
The fact is, water vapour is a much better insulator than CO2, and there is quite a lot more water vapour in the atmosphere than CO2. Yet are we calling water vapour a pollutant?
CO2 is a naturally occuring gas, and is produced largely by nature. If you really want to reduce CO2, dry up the swamps and kill all the cows. That’ll help the earth… I’m all for helping the environment, conserving energy and all that, but I’m not for reducing by a very slight amount a naturally occuring and very necessary gas because a bunch of fear-mongerers in California think CO2 is evil. Actually, last I heard, scientists are beginning to seriously doubt and question the ‘global warming is caused by us’ theories. Indeed, based on evidence I’ve seen, I would say global warming as caused by humans is very much bull noogies.
If congress held their breath for a year we would reduce CO2 emissions by half
Just imagine how effective the EPA and CARB would be if they spent just as much energy going after the non-automotive sources of CO2 as they are now.
With the wind chill at 20F below this morning in Chicago it is hard to be objective about global warming. But the horsepower race is still on. One example is the new Accord, half the ads are for “holding on to something” the other half point out very clearly how powerful the V6 is.
lprocter1982: Actually, last I heard, scientists are beginning to seriously doubt and question the ‘global warming is caused by us’ theories.
Oh, when will the denial end? Scientists have been doubting and questioning global warming for decades now, just like scientists are supposed to. But the consensus these days by people who actually research it is that global warming is likely a product of human activity. there seems to be enough evidence for most countries, including our own (albeit reluctantly) to act on reducing carbon emissions.
Okay we err on the side of the greehouse effect is bull and the world is ruined and we are dead. Or worse we have a good life but our children live in a highly polluted world where life is much more difficult than now.
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We err on the side of the greenhouse effect is real, we take all sorts of steps to reduce our emissions and surprise, we were wrong but our world is cleaner for it…
I think I’ll take the cautious approach – continue to drive an efficient small vehicle (because that is all I really need, saving the hot rod for the weekend) and each time I need a new device, appliance, or vehicle I’ll choose something more efficient than the last one to wear out. We’ll continue the same modest lifestyle we adopted when we first married (making the most of what we’ve got). At the same time we’ll buy quality goods so we don’t need to replace them as often. Careful not to chase fads and replacing perfectly good stuff with more stuff. Seems so simple AND I don’t need to send Al Gore’s crew any money…
Consensus of researchers?
Did you mean consensus of scientists? I could care less what a bunch of idiots reading other people’s work think about this subject.
BTW, the denial will end when someone trustworthy really can show what’s happening. So far, it’s been speculation and computer models, or charts and graphs based on flawed data.
Oge can put on her CV how successful she was influencing car dealers (edit: manufacturers) to do what they were doing anyway. Add her salary to all the people making money on this supposed disaster without really producing any value.