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Phew, that inferno orange is merely the accent color. A volcanic pumpkin didn’t vomit all over the interior. :p That pudgy guy doesn’t exactly seem like a “core Camaro enthusiast”, either.
Wait, there’s a new Camaro coming out?
(seems like time for a refresh, if you’re a regular in the blogopolis)
Enough already! The Camaro launch has to be the slowest product launches ever, not to mention one of the lamest attempts at viral marketing.
I swear, entire generations of cars have come and been redesigned in the time it’s taken Chevy to launch this thing. They’ve burned so much shelf life already, it is going to seem incredibly old and outdated if and when it finally reaches the third or fourth year of its product life.
The base 1LS seems pretty decent, there are not any options that I would add to it – this is good because the base models with no options are usually what the dealers advertise at particularly low prices in the papers.
GM is making a 6-speed manual availiable with the V6 – that is VERY good news (the V6 Pontiac G8 and V6 Dodge Challenger got robbed).
The base 18 inch heritage steel wheels will probably be the best looking wheels.
To illustrate how poorly GM understands its market GM thinks that the base Camaro V6 will appeal to those trying to make a “bold statement” . The truth is that it will appeal to Infiniti G37 and possibly even (as a sign of how far the general has fallen) Hyundai Genesis V6 buyers looking for a less expensive alternative.
At the rate GM is burning through advertising dollars, you’d think they were banking on the Camaro to save ’em.
I’ll take an base Camaron with 20″ wheels and the 6MT please…
GM didn’t leak this, it was posted up by one of the forums devoted to the new Camaro. If you regularly read forums devoted to a certain car people are always dying for the latest tidbit of information on this car even if you are not. Often times they’ll take this information from dealers or other sources.
And no, GM isn’t wrong about “bold statement” for V6 buyers. It’s not a luxury car, it’s also not a hugely expensive car like the G37. V6 muscle car sell on their bold styling and low price primarily. People buy them because they want a good looking coupe they can afford.
I know it’s not a pontiac, but no turbo boost? With all the press I just assumed.
Where is the downloadable .pdf?
Where is the downloadable .pdf?
I don’t know, but 5thgen.org has bigger images…
http://www.5thgen.org/images/2010CamaroWorkbook/
I love the way there’s no wide angle shot of the interior.
TriShield
The base V6 version of this will likely start in the upper $20s based on the $27,500 base price for the mechanically identical G8 V6. It won’t be cheap.
Rear wheel drive, an independent rear suspension, a six speed manual, a rigid body and a 300 HP engine are luxuries. Those features are the real luxuries in something like an Infiniti or BMW.
Extra fluff like leather, power heated seats, a fancy stereo, etc. is very cheap to produce, and many BMW and Infiniti buyers would go without if they could (I say that as a previous BMW and G35 owner).
This base Camaro should be sold as a cheaper alternative to the G37 and even the 335i, not as a “bold statement”. GM’s marketing douche bags don’t even know what this car is, they’re trying to get dealers to sell it like some plastic clad fwd ’90s Pontiac.
The 420 HP V8 SS should be sold as a cheaper alternative to the new BMW M3.
My point is that this car should be marketed as the real deal at a better price like Hyundai markets the Genesis and like Infiniti markets its cars. “Bold statement” says cheap piece of crap with baroque styling. That might be what Chevy dealers are used to selling (i.e. the late Monte Carlo coupe), but this is actually a really good car.
no_slushbox,
You have to keep in mind that the G8 is imported from Australia. That has to be a factor in keeping the prices up. The Camaro will be built in Canada, mind you, that should keep it competitive with the Mustang and Challenger…
TriShield : GM didn’t leak this, it was posted up by one of the forums devoted to the new Camaro. If you regularly read forums devoted to a certain car people are always dying for the latest tidbit of information on this car even if you are not. Often times they’ll take this information from dealers or other sources.
Which is true, but manufacturers are all over enthusiast forums. Nissan paid for Maxima.org moderators to go to the NYC show to witness the reborn 4DSC. Site admins often wind up on a corporate mailing list. Even the Lincoln promoted the MKR concept to http://www.lincolnsonline.com.
I really don’t get V6 muscle car buyers.
If you have the cash, get the real thing. If you don’t, stop posing.
toxicroach
Ok, so what would you recommend that someone that wants to spend $25-27K on a performance car buy instead of a 300 horsepower rear wheel drive 6 speed manual V6 Camaro?
The V6 Camaro can, I’m sure, outperform 95% of the V8 muscle cars from the 60s, is almost as powerful as the last V8 Camaro and is as powerful as the V8 Mustang.
The V6 Camaro would probably have 400 HP under the gross HP standards used in the 60s.
This is not a muscle car. A muscle car has a live rear axle, a flexible, crappy frame with no rust protection, bias ply tires, carburetors, at least two less gears in the transmission and generally a bark louder than its bite.
This is a high performance rear wheel drive coupe with two good engines available.
“Ok, so what would you recommend that someone that wants to spend $25-27K on a performance car buy instead of a 300 horsepower rear wheel drive 6 speed manual V6 Camaro?”
Hyundai Genesis Coupe turbo, and however much boost and engine management tuning $5,000 will get you.
So wait, doesn’t this make the Mustang kinda lame now with the V6 Camaro having just as much power as the Mustang GT?
I’m just gonna ignore any negative comments concerning the Camaro.So fire away GM bashers.
Anyway I’m mikey and I work in Oshawa where the
Camaro is in pre production mode.If a true domestic sports car is your thing,your gonna love the Camaro.I’m told we are gonna run a whole pile
of yard cars/pilots before we get saleable vehicles.So like good food it takes awhile to prepare.
I’ve got a 4th gen Firebird ragtop in my garage and if money/job security wasn’t a factor right now I’d be the first in the order book.
G37? I am a bit confused here. What cars are being targeted with the Camaro? I firmly believe this car has progressed well past the mullet group and will be class leading in V6 power, but this car belongs paired off against?
I really don’t get V6 muscle car buyers.
If you have the cash, get the real thing. If you don’t, stop posing.
Maybe they want a car that looks interesting, but just aren’t interested in the sacrifices that you have to make in order to move up to the big engine? Just because you could get a V8 it doesn’t mean you should have to either get it, or skip over to the Cobalt coupe or Civic Si.
Just buying the top of the line is a large part of the problem we’re collectively facing right now.
The Mustang is a bad example because the base six is a tractor engine, but if it had a decent powerplant in there, think about:
* Less mass on the nose
* Less unexpected tail-out moments (some people want this)
* Less wear and tear
* Lower running costs (insurance would be the big one)
Personally, I’d be more than satisfied with a four-cylinder Mustang if it came with decent tires and suspension. The Camaro and Challenger are a little too massive, but their respective sixes are more than adequate.
Mikey,
“pre production mode”
Do they end up scrapping them?
Why’s this car weigh so much? You know how the 4th gen had a weak rear axle? This one in the same boat? Put some slicks on it and dump the clutch and see what happens….
I own a V6 Mustang and I don’t believe I am a poser of any kind. I now its not a V-8, but when I bought it I didn’t have a ton of money. I had a $20,000 budget, and as far as I could tell I had only one choice in 2005 for a new car that was rear wheel drive and could be had with a manual transmission, sure I could have bought a truck but that is not what I wanted. For a daily drive it suits me just fine, gets decent gas mileage, and is fun to drive.
Where’s the hatchback version?
The only reason why the last Camaro was at all interesting was because of the rear hatch. Did GM design this out of the new model completely to limit the sales even more?
Or will there be a hatch version “leak” later? Like in 2010?
I, too mourn the loss of the hatch, but I suspect that the expense and strength requirements of the IRS may have eliminated the hatch from consideration (though I’d like to be proved wrong).
Mikey: This car won’t save Chevy/GM on its own, but an affordable, well-built, high-feature car with very good quality may turn some heads and pave the way for the Cruze.
Good Luck! (I’ll be one of the early “gawkers” when they hit the showrooms.)