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I heard somewhere that Bill Clinton’s had a stripper pole…
Politicians in Europe not only travel occasionally by public transport, stroll alone trough cities or simply walk by feet or strample on bicycle to the parliament. Not only at home but also when visiting other states. (Putin walked the Vienna city and travelled on skiing for a week in Austria with his family, without body guard. As do many crowned heads and celebrities in Europe regularly.)
So to have a contact where they belong – to the real world.
I’m disappointed in the bodywork. That’s an ugly Cadillac.
Robert: the politicians in Canada do the same. The difference is that they are not heads of state, nor are they the chief executive of the world’s major superpower. Translation: nobody gives a shit if they get mugged, killed, or kidnapped.
8 mpg, I’m impressed, I really am.
What?! This vehicles isn’t powered by hopes and dreams and moonbeams?
I would think that at least it would be a hybrid, or run on ethanol, or natural gas or SOMETHING. This Obama after all.
I like how over the last few weeks, Obama’s campaign promises are slowly giving way to reality…
I noticed one of the reasons they stated for having the roll down window was so the driver can pay a toll. I know there are a lot of good reasons for having the window roll down, but paying a toll? Like the motorcade is going to skip the EasyPass lane and have each vehicle stop and pay a toll collector.
I’m also suspicious about the vehicle having WiFi. It’s too insecure. Besides, if it wasn’t shielded you could track the vehicle by the SSID wherever it goes. I’d be willing to bet there is no WiFi in that vehicle.
The blood storage claim is suspect as well. I can’t imagine Obama giving blood every 35 days to keep in the limo etc. Donated blood would work just as well and it seems a little ridiculous to keep it stored in the limo.
It is effectively an MRAP disguised as a Cadillac. I surprised that is has a gas engine. In this application the LBZ or LLM Duramax diesel would offer more low end torque for quick acceleration. The fire danger would be reduced as well.
This isn’t Change I Can Believe In. I was really hoping for a Lexus or Mercedes to go along with the Air Force One Airbus.
RedStapler: it says it has a 6.5L diesel engine.
He isn’t classy enough to roll on alloy wheels? For shame.
It is effectively an MRAP disguised as a Cadillac.
If gas prices stay low, I wonder how long it will be before we see the civilian versions. Then we’ll have the MRAP 2 followed by the smaller MRAP 3.
US Presidents used to be much more accessible as well, but then there were all those attempted and successful assassinations. Kind of put a damper on the “just one of the people” thing.
John Horner :
January 14th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
US Presidents used to be much more accessible as well, but then there were all those attempted and successful assassinations.
…
That had nothing to do with accessibility at all, as nearly all that assassinations where carried out by insiders e.g. from the “protecting” CIA who came well from within- think Martin Luther King, Kennedy….
Robert Frankfurter, while having politicians going around without bodyguards souns like a good, idea, it doesn’t always work out so well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh
@ mtypex
USAF One Airbus??? Isn’t it a modified 747?
Wow, it only took 10 comments before someone made the “rims” joke.
What? No sh!t it gets poor mileage — it’s basically a nice looking tank. Why are people rallying against this? Do you expect him to haul around in a nonsecured hybrid as president?
It’s not hypocritical for him to drive around in something like this. He (along with any high-ranking politician in a similar situation) can’t make political statements at the risk of their safety and security. Now, if he had bought, say, a giant SUV as a personal car, then I can understand.
This, however, is absurd.
Polpo:
Good catch. The “Petrol Tank” label threw me off.
Dave Ruddell :
January 15th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Robert Frankfurter, while having politicians going around without bodyguards souns like a good, idea, it doesn’t always work out so well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh
Neither does it work out al the time for joe-six-pack to be without protection at a shopping mall.
Anna Lindh was accidently murdered in a shopping mall by a insane drunken bump without any motive, he would have killed anybody being at the wrong time at the wrong place. Opposite, US presidents and high reps like MLKing where usually well planned assassinated, if history is any guide, by the administrations own praetorian guard. Only sometimes they miss the target and are blown open by own incompetence- remember Anthrax?
So the question (answer) may very well be not a heavily armored car but who protects the president from his protectors?
And who protects us from our protectors?
Very funny. Does anybody understand that probably 10 percent of the population of this country would seriously consider sacrificing their lives to off the first black president?
I like how over the last few weeks, Obama’s campaign promises are slowly giving way to reality.
Why don’t we at least let him be sworn in before we start criticizing his policymaking. I know change can’t come fast enough for me, but give the guy some slack—he’s not a miracle worker.
Back to the topic, is this vehicle the reason GM got their bailout bridge loan? I’ll bet some lobbyist said, “If we don’t get this money, development on the Presidential limo stops and it won’t be ready by Inauguration Day.”
Just hypothesizin’
Stephen,
That’s a bit over the top. Most of them are only willing to do it if they can collect on the promised check from Hillary, and she is demanding that they get Biden at the same time!
Robert Frankfurter :
January 14th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Politicians in Europe not only travel occasionally by public transport, stroll alone trough cities or simply walk by feet or strample on bicycle to the parliament.
Vice President-elect Biden is famous for taking Amtrak to work every day. (Delaware is within commuting distance of DC-the train trip takes about an hour and a half each way.) Of course, now that he’s VP that will stop, but…
Harry Truman was the last US President to routinely walk the streets of DC. He was famous for walking fast and used to tell his secret service detail that “walking less than 120 paces a minute is a waste of time”. Supposedly they had a hard time keeping up.
Try it for a sustained time. 120 paces a minute is moving.
Compared to the incredible boondoogle of the next generation presidential helicopter this looks downright cheap and economical.
I’m disappointed in it too though. Where’s the minigun turret? The surface-to-air missile launcher? The oil-slick sprayer? I’m sure middle eastern potentates have these on their limousines – America can’t be seen to be falling behind.
Give BO a break.. he isn’t even sworn in yet and already everyone blames everything on him for what happens and what doesn’t happen. I’m all for having the government greening their fleet and buildings, but presidents sometimes get killed and security supersedes mileage and cost. That car still gets better mileage than air force one, and even if it was a prius, the president’s car usually is accompanied by dozens of police and other security vehicles (non-Prius as well). And anyone who remembers what happened to Kennedy can guess that driving a convertible Tesla would be a bad idea nowadays.
So unless you are willing to be such a high-profile target and driving without security, you shouldn’t judge.
Even as a German I don’t mind him driving in a GM car. It is typical for nations with a car industry to provide their own vehicles. Just for the sake to keep the specs of the armor a secret.
High profile politicians in Europe travel by car as well… only lower ranks travel by train etc. Oh, one Swedish politician was murdered on the train some years ago, not sure if that was the PM, or just some secretary.. and the US is much more violent and hated in the world than Sweden. So the train ticket sales to politicians went down a bit after that.
When I moved to Portugal, I was impressed to see European dignitaries getting into the back seats of VW Passats rather than Mercedes S class.
Just sayin’…
The weight of that thing must be… what? A lot. And given that they fly it around, how much carbon does THAT burn?
Look, no one with a shred of decency wants to see the President killed, maimed or wounded. But there’s another danger: that the President of The United becomes so insulated from the real world that he ceases to recognize it.
Lincoln was shot at the theater. But it’s less well known that he spent more time outside the White House– gathering intelligence– than in it. He wouldn’t have been half the president he was if he didn’t understand the risk – reward relationship between good information and good security.
And by the way, given the ponderous nature of this beast, I reckon an updated version of the Lincoln BPS would have been a better bet.
Geez, it can’t even get up to highway speed, and it still gets only 8mpg on a diesel.
This vehicle looks more like it’s based on an Escalade platform than that of a DTS, which would make sense given the amount of weight involved.
The purpose of this vehicle makes a move to a truck/SUV platform justifiable, but it’s ironic at a time when many people are moving in the other direction, from truck-based vehicles to car-based ones.
I’ll stay away from the political small talk, and I agree with the Escalade platform: that beast is so huge that it’s really what it looks like. Also does anybody else think that the following is funny: “[the driver’s window] is the only window that rolls down 3 inches so that the driver can pay tolls”?
I’m surprised it can only go up to 60mph. I would expect it to have a higher top speed in the even of a mobile attack.
I remember a scene in the movie “The Kingdom” where the characters are motoring down the highway in Saudi Arabia at a high speed, so that any pursuers or attackers would stand out easier. Don’t know how accurate that is, but I would think it’s a reasonable tactic. Guess Obama and/or the Secret Service disagrees.
I wonder how much of the information about this new version of “Cadillac One” is merely speculation. The Secret Service has locked and kept the keys to the Fleetwood-based version that is in the Clinton Library. Likewise with the one in the Reagan Library. Other presidential limos have been destroyed or buried on military bases.
President Bush 43 has been the most isolated president in history (in terms of safety precautions), by far. No one is allowed anywhere near him or his motorcades, especially when traveling overseas. Since he signed-off on this new limo before Obama was elected, this level of protection would seem to be a bi-partisan affair.
I’m surprised it’s so sluggish. If I were specifying such a thing, a higher top speed would be mandatory.
But I guess if it’s really a tank … tanks don’t go fast at all.
D
@Chris Inns :
Don’t worry, the president’s car is followed by a SUV with a minigun turret. There are videos on youtube of it firing, definitely worth checking out.
The Secret Service knows what it’s doing, and those guys don’t mess around.
Aeroelastic :
January 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
The Secret Service knows what it’s doing, and those guys don’t mess around.
World knows – as found out the hard way J.F. Kennedy, M. L. King and decillions more who where “protected” CIA style & flavor or silently disappeared at a tax payers founded torture chamber…
I duly hope Obama makes a radical change in that matter.
And that he will survive the effort.
Chances are.
Slim.
Actually folks, his protection is one of the few things that a President does NOT have direct control over at the White House. The Secret Service has ultimate authority and responsibility in keeping the President safe and may have allowed very little input from the incoming President on something as crucial as his limo. The outgoing President may have eventually signed off on the allocation of money but probably had very little input as well. As someone else said, these guys don’t mess around.
(Putin walked the Vienna city and travelled on skiing for a week in Austria with his family, without body guard. As do many crowned heads and celebrities in Europe regularly.)
Yes, but he’s Vladimir Putin, otherwise known as the Russian Chuck Norris. Bullets don’t bounce off his skin, they run away in fear.
HalfMast:
NONE of our special agents or military personnel mess around, but they occasionally get it spectacularly wrong. Iranian hostage rescue anyone?
I posted my Lincoln BPS review because it points out ex-Secret Service man Rick Bondy’s strategic focal point: escape and evade. Withstanding an attack is an excellent idea, but getting out of the kill zone is even better.
Caddy’s presidential barge sacrifices speed and agility for passive protection. (Did you see the specs?) Let’s hope it’s the right choice, and that we never have to find out.
Look, no one with a shred of decency wants to see the President killed, maimed or wounded. But there’s another danger: that the President of The United becomes so insulated from the real world that he ceases to recognize it.
Very few heads of state can mingle with the general populace any more. They may want to, but they’re just to great a target. The assassination of Olaf Palme was a real wake-up call.
If they’ll take a crack at someone as innocuous as Palme, what chance has Barack Obama?
The assumption, now, is that someone will make an attempt on the life of any notable figure if for no other reason than that they can. It’s too easy to obtain the means, and we don’t really pay enough attention to mental health to keep the kind of people who would be risks in check.
0 – 60 in 15 seconds? Good thing its got all that armour to stop the bullets it may be slowly driving away from.
Gets to 60mph in 15 seconds, I don’t think the max speed or acceleration numbers are very far off from an actual tank. Although I don’t know why everyone thinks a diesel is automatically a better choice. Depending on gearing, that might not make the car any faster than it is now.
As for:
Robert Frankfurter :
Politicians in Europe not only travel occasionally by public transport, stroll alone trough cities or simply walk by feet or strample on bicycle to the parliament. Not only at home but also when visiting other states. (Putin walked the Vienna city and travelled on skiing for a week in Austria with his family, without body guard. As do many crowned heads and celebrities in Europe regularly.)
So to have a contact where they belong – to the real world.
Mode of transport for going to work? Contact with the ‘real world’? Honestly, I think you’re more disconnected from reality than any US President.
Wonder how much that sucker weighs? 60 mph top speed? I suppose that’s probably as fast as those mondo tires can handle. Imagine trying to stop the damn thing.
For all those reasons, 8 mpg isn’t that bad.
The environmentalists will scream to the heavens until he drives a Prius, in which a 6-year-old could maim the passenger with a slingshot.
Caddy’s presidential barge sacrifices speed and agility for passive protection. (Did you see the specs?) Let’s hope it’s the right choice, and that we never have to find out. -Robert Farago
The need for passive protection comes from the fact that no one knows ahead of time when an attack will strike. Surviving the initial attack (mortar, RPG, mine) with enough survivability to escape is the plan. Of course, there are always two limos in the motorcade so you have to know which one to attack/follow, too.
Also, speed is not safe in a city when taking a 90* evasive turn at the first sign of trouble is a primary tactic. Stopping, then reversing into a J-turn is also more time consuming with a higher initial speed.
The POTUS limo doesn’t need to go all that fast. It never travels alone, and it’s only one part of an entire system of security and protection.
To piggy back on what radimus said…the POTUS doesn’t do a lot of driving anyhow. It is not like they would have to high-tail it out of one city and race to another for protection. They just need to get a couple of blocks from the immediate threat and let the security forces deal with it. The POTUS is not cruising the streets of Beirut or Mogadishu.
Just a little disclaimer — that image is pure speculation. No one knows a damn thing about the new limo. Trust me, I’ve been knocking on doors.
kovachian :
January 15th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Hey that’s cool. Maybe one day you’ll wake up to the reality that our President is, to put it lightly, a bit of a higher profile than any European politician.
Someday you wake up, and thats not so soon away, you will find out that your president has no clothes left and was a high flying bump.
You shall wake up and smell GWBush’s sulphur all over – sitting on a hopeless wrecked economy, worthless US$, still spilling out commercial poison by secretive channeling “creative bundled shit” e.g. fonds over the globe into the global monetary system, own deficit drown by a overstretched army, strangled by senseless wars, millions of jobless roaming the streets, left without friends or allies, a hopeless defaulted debtor to China and Saudi Arabia and morally at the lowest conceivable point, policing the own public by fearmongering making Mugabe truly shine. Producing politics, products & services (cars included) nobody in the world, not even the most patriotic american public wants or can afford.
Obama is indeed a beacon of hope – the only one left all true friends of america, me included, hope he is able to turn the sinking Andrea Doria around.
I keep my fingers crossed for Obama – not that I am a big Obama fan – but he is the best bet America and the rest of the world (the bigger part of the globe economically and as power) has. Not a perfect deck of card but you have to work with what you have.
@Robert Frankfurter,
WOW Dude…kovachian got me riled but I was just going to keep my mouth shut because that is the common misconception many Americans have and the subject is not worth arguing over (my Pres is bigger than your Pres…). Have you been holding that in? Breath brother, breath!
I am with you though. I am not an Obama supporter but right now, he is all we have and we need to get behind him and turn our county around.
Kurt. :
January 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I am with you though. I am not an Obama supporter but right now, he is all we have and we need to get behind him and turn our county around.
Huh? You are no supporter yet you think his plans are going to turn things around? If Barry gets half of the socialism he wants (which he at least will for sure), good luck! LOL
Anyway.. 8 mpg, think of the carbon footprint! Save the children! Plus I think this flag would be more of an appropriate for his car. http://www.33ff.com/flags/S_flags/flags_of_China.gif
I am with you though. I am not an Obama supporter but right now, he is all we have and we need to get behind him and turn our county around.
I do support the man (well, moreso than the other guy, and as much as I could considering I’m not American) but this is a dangerous attitude. You want to work towards the best solution, not just get in line behind the guy in the big chair.
That line of thought was used to justify more than a few of the more amusing moments of the Bush administration. While there’s a fine line between an open dialogue in government and laws made useless through compromise, just shutting up and backing the current guy is not a good idea: you end up with an administration that lives in an echo chamber, hearing only it’s own ideas reflected back upon itself.
Mental picture of the entire motorcade lined up so they can pay TOLLS.
I suppose that paying tolls is a joke. The reality is likely that one window had to open or submerging the vehicle would kill all the occupants. Or, maybe they are that stupid?
kovachian :
January 15th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Mode of transport for going to work? Contact with the ‘real world’? Honestly, I think you’re more disconnected from reality than any US President.
Kochavian – in case of disconnection to the world.
How many languages are you fluent in reading & writing ?
Of course reality has to be hidden – so your right.
I am indeed disconnected from a POTUS artificial reality set-up by the praetorian guards to the administration. The POTUS usually lives in a hollywood-based bubble created by the CIA you as a willing follower fully endorse. Welcome to your very private “Truman Show”. And so looked the US policy over the last centuries. Disconnected from any reality but always high nosed and finger wagging.
Obama is the first president lived abroad and able to express himself if needed in more languages then only his own (two foreign languages are mandatory the least even in most basic education outside US – every bump speaks two languages) – thats at least a positive starter.
Anyhow – given the first signs from him in the field of bailout (leaning towards force-feeding long gone Detroid mummies with taxpayers money) the prospects are dim at best.
See: http://clivecrook.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/obamas_shot_in_the_arm_is_too.php
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200901u/desmond-tutu-interview
@Robert Frankfurter
“The POTUS usually lives in a hollywood like bubble created by the CIA and you as a willing follower endorse.”
The Dude: “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”
The President and the DCI (now known as the DCIA) have had a tense relationship going back several administrations.
Remember when a small plane crashed on the White House lawn? The joke at Langley is that the plane was flown by DCI Woolsey, and it was the only way for him to get into the White House to meet with President Clinton.
President Bush 43 is also well-known for his chilly relationship with the CIA. The Valerie Plame incident is an example. Bush has always preferred working with the Department of Defense.
Analysts at the CIA insisted from the very beginning that the war in Iraq could not be “won” without the use of military counterinsurgency tactics, which the CIA studied at length after Vietnam. Even very conservative CIA people are no fans of Bush because of his arrogance in ignoring them. However, he did finally listen when he appointed General Patraeus.
@CAHIBOstep :
January 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Thank you for your lecture.
Im not nosy. Anyhow. Few know who in the over 25 or are there 27? or 35? secret services and their countless subsidiaries in the USA and abroad does what, in whose interest and why one needs so many of them in first place if the US is such a beacon of joy and common fun, singing all the day cumbaya and is loved and appreciated allover the world – but secrecy is natural for a secret service in first place – we, the people, only get the collateral fallout.
Anyhow – it all burns down to the question if America gets a president:
1.) aware of the real facts & problems and
2.) having a background / upbringing / education allowing to analyze a situation from different angles and take the right conclusions
3.) having the guts to take on base of these conclusion the commercially needed, logic, right, brutal measures even if they are so harsh that children have to look the other side
4.) being eloquent enough to convince the people / congress that painful measures are needed and state bailouts of private entities are (basically anti-american, anti-capitalistic, unconstitutionally and most probably illegal) only pumping expensive high class opium in a hopeless junky and hoping that gets him sometimes down the road off the needle.
5.) Having the balls telling congress members flat that they are not elected to get involved into the car industry (the understand even less about then about AbuGraib) but have to stay out of private matters and let nature take its course.
Thinking Obama I can hook for sure now only three points of five.
Hope that I’m wrong as that will never save the books but empty the taxpayers wallet. So the US citizen get a taste how the Russians in the former USSR felt…
poor & empty
@Robert Frankfurter
“Thank you for your lecture.”
I only hope my lecture was as enlightening as your insights into the fuel economy of the new Cadillac One! :-P
@CAHIBOstep
Given the visible fitness of President elect Obama for him the most secure and economic means of transport, sporting a crashing 0 Gallon per mile, would be a unidirectional carbon fiber-race-bicycle.
Like that one:
http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/09/cusa/model-9RSS00D_9RSS00C.html
Remember, fast moving targets are far harder to hit then any black tank named Cadillac One.:-)
That would also help the fitness of the protecting agents – lifting the burden off taxpayers purse to provide expensive body-workout lounges for the men in black with wires in the ear. They would have visible to run for their money as the rest of americans does every day. You see saving tax money can be fun :-)
that would be a visible change anyone would believe in.
PS:There are many politicians in Europe, surely not less intelligent then the current US President, using a bicycle as regular means of transport getting into office.
@ mtypex
This isn’t Change I Can Believe In. I was really hoping for a Lexus or Mercedes to go along with the Air Force One Airbus.
With the events of today in NY, an Airbus Air Force One seems like a good choice……
Something about this graphic seems like umitigated speculation from an English version of Popular Mechanics…
Tear gas cannons are optional on a VW Beetle.
Robert Frankfurter: US presidents and high reps like MLKing where usually well planned assassinated, if history is any guide, by the administrations own praetorian guard.
Spend less time on hysterical conspiracy theories, and more on the facts, and you’ll be better informed. I know that is a very boring approach to history, but it does leave one better informed.
If you insist on continuing with this line of “thought,” I’d suggest you throw Elvis, Bigfoot and space aliens into the mix…your posts would be more entertaining, and, quite frankly, just as credible.
Robert Frankfuter: The POTUS usually lives in a hollywood-based bubble created by the CIA you as a willing follower fully endorse. Welcome to your very private “Truman Show”. And so looked the US policy over the last centuries. Disconnected from any reality but always high nosed and finger wagging.
LOL…this coming from a European? The continent that invented finger-wagging…when its various nations weren’t either fighting each other at home, or abroad (via their colonies)? That needed the U.S. to bail it out of trouble TWICE in the 20th century, after it was deadlocked in two vicious, destructive, wars?
Robert Frankfurter: Having the balls telling congress members flat that they are not elected to get involved into the car industry (the understand even less about then about AbuGraib) but have to stay out of private matters and let nature take its course.
Yes, Europeans would never do this…except, of course, for Great Britain with British Leyland, Italy with Fiat, France with Renault…
Stephan Wilkinson: Does anybody understand that probably 10 percent of the population of this country would seriously consider sacrificing their lives to off the first black president?
Do you really believe this? Are you telling me that 30 MILLION Americans would be willing to die themselves just for the chance to kill Barack Obama?
The people I talk to who didn’t vote for are him crossing their fingers and hoping for the best. No talk of violence or even leaving the country, unlike, say, Alec Baldwin…
If you believe this, you DO need to get out more and stop relying on The Nation and DailyKos for both your news and impressions of what America is really like. You have NO idea what life is like beyond your enclave.
Surer, I was exaggerating, firing for effect. But the fact is there are an enormous number of people seriously ready to off the guy.
Stephan Wilkinson: Surer, I was exaggerating, firing for effect. But the fact is there are an enormous number of people seriously ready to off the guy.
Really? Where is the proof of this? From their rantings and ravings? As I recall, there were an enormous number of people who spewed hateful vitriol against George W. Bush that, to be frank, I often found frightening…even when I found serious fault with the things he did.
That only proves that it’s not hard to find crazies in a country of 300 million with a modern communications system.
What I see is a nation ready to give the president-elect a chance and see what he does…most of the pre-judging is being done by the hyperventilating (usually left-wing, I might add) talking heads on CNN, desperate to manufacture news from conjecture to make it look like they earn those fat paychecks.
The main concerns I hear about Obama center on his relative youth, just what policies he will follow once in office, and how he will deal with a Congress that clearly has its own agenda. No one “hates” him.
One of my brothers is very closely connected to the Obama camp, though he’s a businessman and not a politician. He tells me that the Secret Service has said that there have already been more real, certifiable, actual threats against Obama than they have ever experienced with a President in the past.
I’m going to let it go at that, since I really can’t say any more about it, though I’m sure you’ll by yapping prove-it-prove-it any minute now.
I am stunned by your naivete, or perhaps you’ve simply never traveled in the south.
Stephan,
I won’t doubt your word on that. As you likely realize, most all of those certifiable threats are from certifiable nutbags.
If we don’t stop using the examples of nutbags to judge our countrymen and write our laws, we will be kept from ever moving forward as a nation. The media love to keep doing this because it gets attention and sells their products, and while I won’t say government should interfere with that, I would hope that more responsible people would start pointing out the fallacy of it.
Don’t get caught up with the intrigue of that sad fact your brother told you. What’s really more important is what Geeber has pointed out. I believe our new President has a higher level of support than any president since Reagan (in spite of his narrower victory). IMO, The right is being much more respectful of him than the left ever was of President Reagan.